Nov. 29, 2023
A Brush With Jesus In His NDE- with Dr. Laurence Brock
Dr. Laurence Brock had a life-changing near-death experience that opened him to profound spiritual gifts of healing. Join us as he shares his incredible story of tangible transformation after glimpsing the afterlife.
We explore Laurence's NDE where he encountered Jesus and returned with an unshakeable knowing of love. He awakens to new healing abilities through his hands, as well as intuition guiding him to study modalities like polarity therapy.
What steps did Laurence take over decades to nurture his talents? How did mystical teachers help him further access these gifts? We discuss the unfolding integration process after near-death experiences.
You’ll also hear incredible examples of distant healing, Laurence facilitating connections with those who passed on, insights into clearing darkness/negative energy, and why dedication to spiritual practices is so key for living from higher states.
If you want to unleash your intuitive healing potential or work directly with this gifted seer, this episode provides inspiration and next steps!
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Chapters
00:00 - Dr Lawrence Brock
15:54 - Unfolding Journey of Near Death Experience
19:30 - From Near-Death to Healing Practitioner
34:10 - Spiritual Healing and Connecting With Loved Ones
47:13 - Recognizing and Managing Negative Energies
Transcript
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Hey everybody, this is Brian, back with another episode of Grief to Growth and the day I've got with me Dr Lawrence Brock.
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Dr Brock has a doctor of spiritual science.
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He has a postgraduate degree in advanced ministerial counseling.
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He's also an ardent minister, a certified polarity therapist and a fully accredited advanced biofeedback practitioner.
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He had a near-death experience following a horrific car accident in 1976.
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And in his experience he went into heaven.
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He saw Jesus and he tapped into an all-knowing and loving God.
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He came two, three days later spiritually at work with the ability to heal, a strong belief that everything is alright and good and a new mission in life.
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So over for over 35 years he's had successful practice as a counselor, as an energy healer and as a spiritual intuit.
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He says of his journey in learning to heal has been a journey of self-discovery and spiritual awareness.
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He had the great opportunity to study with some world-renowned mystical teachers from many traditions who've assisted in further awakening a special healing ability within him.
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So with that I want to welcome to Grief to Growth Dr Brock.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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It's nice to be here.
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Yeah, I'm glad to have you here.
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Before we get started here by Jurexperience, I'd like to know more about some of your background.
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What's a doctorate in spiritual science?
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It is kind of what it sounds like.
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It's basically applying the scientific method to spiritual things.
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Part of the program was so I have a master's and a doctorate which for six years I had a track pretty much everything I was doing.
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Like you know.
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We had these sheets and when you wake up you'd make a note of what time you woke up and then you know how many hours you slept, you kind of rate your sleep and how much exercise, how much meditation, how much water.
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By the end there were like 50 things on the list to keep track of.
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And then you, in a scientific way, you go well, you try to look at the patterns there and you know it's like, if this, then this, then you write a treatise on that.
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So I was looking at spiritual experiences.
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There were some emotions to track.
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There was one called Hidden Talents.
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There was a time we had to keep track of what we were looking at, in a way to honor yourself in what you were actually doing physically, but also to tune in things spiritually.
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So it'd be one month focus on what you see and what you look at, one, what you hear and what you listen to.
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One is what your feelings are and how you're directing your feelings.
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And then at the end I wrote a paper that took me many years to write because I finished my schooling and I graduated about 10 years later, partially because my daughter was born right around then and I start focusing on her a lot.
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Part of the instructions were to write something you were passionate about, and I started a few subjects and things I'm passionate about.
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But then, when my passion would wane a little bit, I thought this isn't the right thing.
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At some point I realized I was going to have to work through that time, when I wasn't totally feeling it 100%, if I wanted to graduate.
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So I did that.
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Okay, well, thank you for sharing that.
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So we studied meditation, we studied all sorts of spiritual things.
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Okay, so, and this was, of course, after your experience, your near-death experience, which was in 1976, correct.
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Yeah, so my bio makes it sound all simple and easy.
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Yeah.
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It was a process.
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So first of all, it was in 1976, so no internet.
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I had never heard of a near-death experience.
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I read some spiritual books when I was a little younger than that, like in high school autobiography of a yogi.
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I read Herman Hess books and I didn't really think of those as real people doing that and I had my experience and I knew that it happened but I had no idea what to think about it and it took a while of learning and I've kind of learned that that not knowing has been a very important part of my spiritual growth.
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Because one thing is in spirit there are a lot of things we can't really know in our mind.
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The other part of it is it's just really being open to learning when you don't know something.
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Interesting, interesting.
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So if you would tell me about your experience, Okay, so I was at the time.
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So I live in the Northeast of the United States and this is in New Jersey, but I grew up in a little bit north of New York City.
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At the time, though, I was living out in Colorado, working in a restaurant, drinking a lot, partying, sleeping late, working late, and my roommate in Colorado was also a friend of mine from high school, and we drove back east to visit our parents.
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Our parents were, and we drove straight through, so it's 1800 miles, and we got there early in the morning.
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We each went to our houses, and I even was wondering just the other day how did we find out there was a party?
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Like now with texting and everything online, you're connected to everyone.
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Back then it was very different, but we found out about a party, we went to it.
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We drove back in his car, a 280Z, very fast kind of fun car to drive.
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So we met at the party.
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I drove my mom's little bobcat and there was drinking, smoking pot, other fun drugs to do.
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That I definitely don't do anymore in my life.
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So during the party I kind of liked the girl who was having the party, and I came up with a plan.
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I'm going to pretend I'm drunker than I thought I was and tell her I need to leave my car there so I could go back the next day and talk to her, pick up my car.
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So I had my friend drive me to my parents' house.
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When we were almost back there I realized my sister needed the car the next day and I said to my friend you got to take me back.
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And he of course protested.
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I explained, I explained my plan to him and he understood.
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So I went back to the party.
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I went in to tell the young lady that I was taking my car and I do remember doing that.
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I'd have to yell because the music was so loud.
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I remember walking toward the door like crowded, like you'd have to go through the crowd.
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There's music, everyone's dancing and I have glimpses of walking.
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I don't remember actually walking out the door.
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I have a glimpse of walking on the pathway out to my car and then I don't remember anything until I was out of my body in the white light, all or white all around me, and the car was down there, smashed.
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My body was leaning against the tree, my legs were straight out, my body was against a tree and there was a police officer crouching over me, behind me.
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And the spiritual, mystical part is, even when I think of it now, I get kind of shaky inside in a nice way.
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So it was all white light.
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There was a different shade of white light, a big circle behind me and within that circle there was a full silhouette, a full body outline of a person.
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That was just all white.
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You know, there was like a drawing, and there was all different shades of white radiating off of that, with a little bit of gold in there.
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I don't know how long it was.
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It didn't seem like it was just one instant, but it didn't seem like some people say they were there for years.
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It didn't seem like that either.
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And then, but the feeling part of it was what really impressed me and it was just this feeling of love, feeling of warmth, and any of these, even using words, doesn't explain it, because it's like there's a thought there and this was more just knowing, in a way that there was no need to know, like it was just this yes, this is the way things are.
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And the being behind me said you have to go back, your father wants you to stay and you know, sometimes people say did you have a choice to stay there?
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I didn't even think of that, like everything just seemed so right that I just went back into my body and came to three days later in the hospital.
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So you said this figure behind you.
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Did you see the figure?
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I did, but I was facing this way, so I don't, you know.
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At some point someone said you could see behind you.
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I don't, it wasn't like I could see behind me, it's just like all of this I knew.
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So, I knew that was behind me.
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It wasn't like I turned my head or had eyes on the back of my head.
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It was just like something that I knew.
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Okay, and at the point where the figure is speaking with you, you're looking at your body.
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Is that correct?
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Yes, okay.
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And what were your thoughts about your body at that time?
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Everything seemed fine, like, even though I saw it it didn't.
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It wasn't like upsetting at all, it was um, it was just like everything made sense Everything in the world, my life, everything, everything, everything.
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But even saying that is not quite it, because it's like you're saying how were you with seeing your body?
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It wasn't even a doubt, it wasn't like I thought, oh, my head's cracked open, but it's okay, it just, everything was okay.
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Okay and um, so you were there and then you were.
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You said you, you were sent back to your body, but you didn't recover for like three days.
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Is that correct?
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Yeah, three days, yeah, I kind of have a couple of memories of almost coming to, but it's just like seeing nurses or whatever moving around.
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It wasn't very conscious.
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My verbal and mental understanding didn't happen until after I started meeting.
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So something that happened was I did start meeting a lot of spiritual people.
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A lot of them, most of them, have had near-death experiences and at the time I didn't even know that.
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Again, that term, I hope like now it's a thing you know what I mean Like people know about it.
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It wasn't like I knew about this experience at all.
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Yeah, I think Raymond Moody's book Life After Life came out like 1978.
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And so it was really after that that a bit you know term near-death experience became part of the culture.
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Right, it was around that time, but even then I mean, I didn't even I didn't realize how cool this was until a couple of years ago.
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So I was in I, when I was healthy enough, I went back to Colorado for a little while.
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Then my mom kind of convinced me and bribed me to come back to the Northeast and I wasn't really sure what to do with my life.
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I was working in a restaurant.
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It was fun but it wasn't very fulfilling.
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And she bought me a new house and I was like I'm going to be a good housewife, I'm going to be a good housewife, I'm going to be a good housewife, I'm going to be a good housewife.
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And she bought me a new car with it, you know, bribing me to move back to the Northeast and go into business with my dad.
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One day after work I was sitting in my apartment and someone knocks on the door and I open it and there was this beautiful woman there and she told me she was the sister of a friend of mine from Colorado, one of the people that I mentioned my experience to, again not using the term near death experience but, so this woman said to me my sister told me some really cool things about you.
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Actually, she didn't say I used the word cooler.
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She said some interesting things about you and then she told me she knew someone who teaches about what happens after we die.
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And then she wanted to introduce me to him.
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So I was, you know, before that I had my near death experience, but it was like so who cares, I have to go to work, you know, make some money, and stuff like that.
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And she gave me one of his books and talked to me about him and he ended up being a Sufi shake who was Islamic.
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The Sufis are the mystical sect of the Islamic religion and then I spent like the next 10 years of my life studying with him.
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But when he started to talk to me, that's when it started to kind of make sense.
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So he first, he actually.
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So actually the first thing was I talked to him on the phone and he it was kind of like small talk.
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It was pretty funny because I thought he was going to ask me questions and stuff like this, but he didn't.
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And he sent me a remedy the next day.
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He's overnighted it and I took this remedy and I had read his book and there was a little stuff about remedies in there and about all these amazing experiences people have.
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After taking him.
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I took the first dose.
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Nothing happened, you know, and but the second dose, I took it within, you know, within very quickly I had a really high fever after that and he had talked in his book about how it was burning off the dross like the necessarily things in there, and so that was my first experience with him and I was a little afraid because my fever was dangerously high.
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But I was kind of also excited because to me it was like something out of a science fiction book and I love.
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When I finally got to meet him in person, he started to talk to me first about Mary and as soon as he said Mary's name was like whoa that and he would say how amazing Mary was, that she was open to receive the Christ energy.
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And when she said that ago, oh, that's what I felt in my near death experience.
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Then he started to talk about Jesus and that's when I knew Jesus was the being behind me in my near death experience.
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So I had no idea what to think of it.
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So when you, when you came to and you remember yeah, this memory, did it feel real to you, did it seem like it might be a dream, what were your thoughts about what had happened to you?
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I did not think it was a dream at all.
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I knew it had happened.
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But then there's a part of what do you do with that?
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You know what I mean.
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Like what do you do with people in the world who, as I mentioned I mean the autobiography of the Yogi is a real book about a real person.
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But to me, you know, the books and the fictional things were my reference for that.
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So, it's been a process and again, that part is very important because I'm still in that process of I have no idea and I'm still in that process of growing and learning and discovering what these things are.
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Even maybe about six months ago, I all of a sudden got this flash of the image in my near death experience and I got a whole lot of more information, mostly about meditating, and I even said to myself oh man, I knew this all these years but I didn't quite get it.
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So it's, the process of unfolding is just very important for me.
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Yes, well, I've heard that people that have near death experiences, it can take years or decades to integrate them and to recall everything that you knew when they're there.
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So it sounds like it is an unfolding process.
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Yes.
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And so when you came back, did you have any, any abilities that?
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Were there any physical changes with you?
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Was it, did you ever a miraculous recovery?
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I felt like I recovered pretty quickly.
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I didn't associate that with my experience, though they're my intuition.
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Definitely increased the my hands, and still do, pretty much when I touch them on, become warm very quickly.
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So that is some physical thing that I noticed.
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But the thing of meeting people is perhaps I mean, it's all again, but I didn't think like right away, oh, healing my hands get warm.
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You know, it's like I never, you know, I would think about what I do now.
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Then I think, oh man, he's crazy.
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So were you on?
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What was your career path at that time?
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I imagine you were.
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Were you in college or just out of college?
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I was out of college I had been a chef for a little while and then I went to be in my dad's electrical contract and company and you know it's something I done a lot when I was young, like in the summer and stuff like that.
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So it was kind of easy, it was lucrative and there was a lot of it was office work, doing estimates, purchasing, and these were for like big jobs, you know, supermarkets, yeah it's.
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There was a bit of a conflict and luckily the part, my spiritual part in me has just been so persistent that I couldn't ignore it, even though it'd be easier to ignore it.
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Sure, so how long did it take you to move into more of the healing space?
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Well, it took me a few years.
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I started well.
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I sometimes say my near-death experience was a whack in the head to get me on track.
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So a few years later I had another much smaller car accident where I didn't even really get hurt.
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A woman ran through a red light and I just swerved out of the way.
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I woke up the next morning my shoulder and lower back were just tight as could be.
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It wasn't like from something being banged, it was just from stress.
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So I had been working a lot.
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I hadn't taken a vacation in longer than I should.
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I went to Vermont and visited someone who another Sufi person and he introduced me to polarity therapy.
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So I had this great session.
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So polarity therapy is a very gentle, similar to acupressure, but much more gentle, where you're just basically holding certain point, usually two points on the body.
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I just had this profound experience because my body was kind of beat up from my near-death experience.
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I was in my early 20s but still I felt old.
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After this I had flashbacks from my childhood, all this stuff, and actually got off the table.
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I was going to complain that it was so short because she said it'd be an hour.
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I looked at the clock before I said something.
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It was three hours.
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Oh wow.
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Then she said to me I know someone near where you live who does this.
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It'd be good if you had some follow-up sessions.
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So I did, and after a few sessions she said she's teaching a class.
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I started taking this class in polarity and it was a way I could actually use what had happened with my hands to heal people.
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Okay, that was the first thing, and I did it for a hobby for a while, and one day I realized I'm sick of arguing with men about money and the construction business, so I want to start my practice.
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Okay, so you do polarity therapy and I think you have some other modalities.
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You're working as well, right?
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Yes, I don't do polarity therapy too much anymore because I don't work with people in person.
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There are a few of the.
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I think they're called manipulations because it was actually invented by a chiropractor but they're not manipulating like a chiropractor does.
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If I do work on people in person, there's some of the things I've integrated into what I do.
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Mostly now I work via video or sometimes on phone.
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So, yes, it was this process of studying of.
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So right away, the Sufi Sheikh said to me you're a sensitive, which I knew wasn't an insult, which might sound to a man as an insult, because he said that his teacher, in his book he wrote, called him a sensitive.
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And so it was being sensitive to energy, to spiritual things.
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So I did the polarity therapy for a while, kind of as a hobby.
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Then doing gradually, doing it more, I started to learn other healing modalities.
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I studied deep connective tissue massage.
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I studied electronic devices, so the advanced biofeedback is from that.
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But now what I do is I talk to people like this on video and I learned how to bring in the spiritual light, the energy and love and healing from my near-death experience and more actually.
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And so there's other energies that are similar and just help people with pretty much anything.
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It's great, it is the coolest thing in the world.
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I'm still amazed at what I can do.
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It's really great.
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So do you feel like did something after your experience where the incidences that led you?
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I know you said you met people.
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Were there other things that led you to where you are today?
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Yes, yes.
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So one big thing that happened was my next door neighbor, so, and his grandfather was very sick and I was talking to his father and he was telling me and I said I would pray for him.
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And I did pray for him and I felt something happen Again, feeling that energy of my near-death experience coming in.
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But I knew something happened.
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And then I saw the father again a few days later.
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He said I think something happened because the grandfather went from he was about to pass away like any second to living for months longer, and that was pretty cool.
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A lot of little things like that happened.
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I did study, spend as much time as I could with the Sufi shake.
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I also did a lot of reading, and so he was a Mevlavi shake and they follow the teachings of Jalaluddin Rumi.
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So Rumi, the poet, who people read poems, have written these volumes of books.
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They're very spiritual, and so I studied that.
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I just studied a lot.
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I mean, again, the not knowing has really served me because I really wanted to learn.
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I had some direct experiences with the Sufi shake that were just magical.
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One.
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He was teaching this sacred geometry class in St Patrick's Cathedral in New York City and I told him I wanted to go and he said well, you don't, really, all the other students have been studying for a while, you won't understand it.
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And I said I still want to go.
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And he said well, you can come there and be like my assistant and so, but basically that was, you know, carrying his briefcase, organizing the papers, sweeping the floor, stuff like that.
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And during one of the breaks I was sweeping the floor, he said come on here into my office.
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And when I think of that I have a fondness, because he was always joking around.
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