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Hey everybody, this is Brian, back with another episode of Grief to Growth.
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They have got with me my friend Mark Anthony.
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Mark is known as the psychic explorer or the psychic lawyer.
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He's a fourth generation psychic medium who communicates with spirits.
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He's an Oxford educated attorney, licensed to practice law in Florida, Washington DC and before the United States Supreme Court.
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He recently won the AMI award for best psychic medium.
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He appears nationwide on TV and radio, including CBS as the doctors Gaius TV Beyond Belief.
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He co-hosts a live stream show, the Psychic in the Dock on the transformation network.
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He travels the mystical locations to remote corners of the world to examine ancient mysteries and supernatural phenomena.
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He's a featured speaker at conferences, expos and universities, which include Brown, Columbia, Harvard and Yale.
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He's the author of three bestselling books the Afterlife Frequency, as well as multiple awards, and ranked as one of the top books about faith and was up for a Pulitzer.
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His other bestselling books are Never Letting Go and Evidence of Eternity.
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He's also a VIP executive contributor for Best Holistic Life magazine.
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As I said, Mark is also happens to be a friend of mine.
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What I want to do today?
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I want to talk with Mark about mediumship and how it works, why you can have confidence in it, and I can't think of a better person to talk to about any questions about mediumship.
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Mark is one of the best mediums.
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I know he also.
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I was talking with someone earlier today and I said Mark knows a little bit about everything, and that's actually not true.
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Mark knows a lot about everything.
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So with that, I want to welcome to the show Mark Anthony.
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Thank you, brian.
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I always enjoy working with you, so it's an honor to be here on your show.
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Yeah, I appreciate having you back again and I want to refer people If you haven't heard it.
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I did another episode with Mark earlier.
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We talked about Mark's life and about his book the Afterlife Frequency and that kind of stuff.
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But today I really want to focus down on mediumship and mechanics of mediumship and why people can have faith.
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That is actually real, and I was telling Mark before we started recording I get this question a lot, you know, why can't mediums do certain things?
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Why, how does it all work?
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So I just want to throw that open to you, mark, and just get your thoughts on it.
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Well, there's a lot to that question.
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First off, let's back up a bit and let me explain the scientific basis for mediumship.
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Is that?
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Would that be okay?
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That'd be awesome.
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Yes, in my book, the Afterlife Frequency.
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The subtitle of the book is the scientific proof of spiritual contact and how that awareness will change your life.
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And the reason that I wrote this book, brian, is because throughout my life I mean, I grew up this way.
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My dad was a NASA engineer, my mother was a commercial artist.
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It runs for generations in my family.
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You know we weren't running around with turbines, waving Ouija boards and flinging granola at people.
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Yeah, we were a all American sort of family next door, except that, you know, my parents and I could see dead people.
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My brother and sister can foresee future events.
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So we were a bit different in the neighborhood.
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But a lot of people doubt the existence of mediumship.
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And the reason that I wrote the Afterlife Frequency and the reason that we're here today is that all the different forms of spirit communication, whether it is mediumship, visitations where you may have a dream or a loved one, comes to you and this applies to people who aren't mediums whether it's a near death experience, which have been reported for thousands of years and certainly studied very heavily in the last half century, shared death experiences, deathbed visions out of body experiences.
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Unfortunately, they've all been looked at as like a salad bar.
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They're all different phenomenon but they're not.
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And I started seeing through my work as a medium, through my work as an attorney who specialized in head injury, neurological and brain brain injuries, and then when I started studying with quantum physics, it all tied together, all of those different forms of spirit contact, what I call interdimensional communication, brian.
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They're all based on the same sound scientific principles.
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It's not magic, it's not hocus pocus.
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Everything can be explained through quantum physics.
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And every great belief system, since the sages of ancient India, through Zoroaster, moses, buddha, jesus, muhammad, lao zoo, native American spirituality, the animistic religions of Africa and the Caribbean, they all teach a universal constant that the soul, the spirit, the who and what we are pre exist.
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Our body comes into the body and then moves on after the body dies.
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And we know that everything is made of molecules, which in turn are composed of atoms, which are made of electrons, protons and neutrons, which are made of a smaller particle of pure electromagnetic energy known as a quantum, ergo the term quantum physics.
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We know from the laws of thermodynamics, in physics, energy is neither created nor destroyed, only transferred from one form to another.
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So neuroscience is the study of the human brain, and neuroscientists have discovered that the brain only accounts for 2% of the body's weight, yet it's the most complex electrical system in the body and therefore it uses over 20% of the body's electrical energy.
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The heart uses the most, which makes sense because it's a pump and it's going all the time.
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And we want to be going all the time because when it doesn't, you'll be talking to the people.
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That I do, but.
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But I spent years examining this and studying the different forms of spirit contact, near death experiences, share death experiences, the visitations of mediumship, and by combining physics and faith, I developed the term the electromagnetic soul, the EMS, to define in 21st century terms what we really are, which is pure consciousness, that is, eternal electromagnetic energy.
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Now, I know that that's a lengthy explanation and, of course, when you ask a lawyer what time it is, you can't really tell how to build a clock.
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But before we get into to the basics of mediumship, it's it's important for people to understand that the other side dimension is on a higher vibrational frequency than our material world dimension.
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I call the zone in between.
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Imagine, if you will, a zone in between.
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I call it the NDE zone, not the twilight zone, but the NDE zone.
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And why is that?
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That is because all the forms of communication with the other side occur when the afterlife frequency and our material world vibrational frequencies align and they intersect.
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This is also why, when people say, well, why doesn't the spirit just tell you this?
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Why don't they just give you lottery numbers?
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Why don't they just find the exact location of the body?
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Why don't they?
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Why don't they?
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Why don't they?
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If I had a dollar for every, why don't they question?
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I'd be doing this telecast from my beach house in Maui right now.
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But leaving all joking aside, spirit communication, mediumship, involves communication from another dimension and this, once again, this is not some fairy tale.
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Over the past century, starting with Albert Einstein, all the way up through Max Tegmark and Michio Kaku, stephen Hawking, string theory proposes that there's not just a universe but there's multiverses, and within those universes there's different dimensions, and so when a spirit is communicating with me, they're a group of electromagnetic souls.
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Think of our soul, our electromagnetic soul, brian, as a drop of water.
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And when we die, that drop of water leaves the brain.
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See, the brain doesn't create consciousness, it hosts it, much the way a computer hard drive hosts the programs on it.
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So when the hard drive dies, when our brain dies, the program gets uploaded to the spiritual quantum field, so it plunges into this eternal sea of souls, which I also refer to as the collective consciousness.
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And so then that electromagnetic soul is interlinked with other souls, linked to other souls, and the access to information that they have is essentially infinite.
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So when I am communicating, or anybody is communicating, with a spirit, what's happening?
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There is, the spirit is emitting waves of electromagnetic frequency that align with the brain wave frequency inside my head, and then the electronic or electrical impulse from the spirit gets converted into recognizable concepts based on my memories, feelings and cultural associations.
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And so, yes, they are just telling us, but since they don't speak a human language, they're speaking electromagnetic frequency.
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It can be subject to interpretation.
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Ergo, that's why they just don't pop in and hand me six winning powerball numbers, not that I haven't asked, but yeah.
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But so I hope that in part answers your question.
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Yeah, it does, because, as you said and you just explained, I think better than anybody I know, because mediumship we think of.
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Sometimes people think mediumship is like Woo-Woo's magic, right.
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And then we have science, on the other hand, and the two never shall meet.
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And I love the and it's funny because I've been on my own exploration.
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I just read Tom Campbell's theory of everything.
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I don't know if you ever read that series of books, but he's a physicist.
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I also went to the Monroe Institute, so he's at all his out-of-body experiences and he brings the two together.
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So we in the West, I feel like we need a rational explanation, even though, as you said, people for thousands, for millennia, have understood this.
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Just, it works.
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So I appreciate that explanation and that does answer the question as to why.
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Why don't they just tell you things?
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You know, I saw a really great movie two nights ago.
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It was on MGM classics or whatever it was called the Gift and Kate Blanchett.
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It takes place in this small town in Georgia and her husband has died so and she's a psychic and she does readings for people and of course the town promiscuous woman I'm being politically correct here ends up getting murdered and of course she was married, or proposed to be married, to Greg Kinnear.
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And there's this redneck who's married to Hilary Swank, who's Canal Reeves, and Canal Reeves doesn't like his wife, hilary Swank, consulting with this here, devil worshiper.
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And all this and, long story short, it's Katie Holmes who's the promiscuous woman.
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She disappears and nobody can find her.
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So Greg Kinnear and Katie Holmes' father come to her with the police and they're like well, I don't believe in this.
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Anyway.
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Long story short, she gets a vision and she describes seeing a beaten batter, katie Holmes, covered in chains, hovering around a tree above this pond, which of course belongs to Canal Reeves, the redneck who hates her and keeps beating on her and threatening her kids to stay away from her, and they dredge the pond and they find her.
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Long story short, canal Reeves is on trial.
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Now, hey, blanchett never said Canal Reeves did it.
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She just said that she saw this vision and that's where it was.
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And the scene where the defense attorney is cross-examining her about her ability and ripping her apart.
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Oh, you had a vision.
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Oh, you had this and you make money off this, don't you?
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I mean, it was so realistic and I'm an attorney and I've seen how attorneys and I've had to in my career I'm focused on my spiritual work now go after somebody, and so I thought that the movie was an extremely accurate depiction of how people treat psychics, how the skeptics are very vicious towards us.
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I'm not going to tell you how it ends, because it's a really great twist and I really recommend.
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It's called the gift, starring Kate Blanchett, but that's the whole thing about psychic intuition.
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I have consulted with the police on a number of occasions.
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When I was on the CBS TV show the Doctors, they talked to me because I actually did a reading for the man who found Kaley Anthony's body, and a few years ago that was a very high profile case.
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Mother Casey Anthony went on trial for supposedly killing her little girl, which she did, but the state attorney's office in Florida, they overcharged her and they basically botched the case and so she got off with just a couple of misdemeanors instead of the murder charge.
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But what happened there is I was doing a public event in Florida and I started describing a little girl and I said I feel like there's mesh, like some type of mesh on her face, and I feel water and I feel a deterioration.
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And I started describing and this guy stands up crying and he goes.
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I found Kaley Anthony's body and she came through to thank him for this, and then I'll spare all the details.
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But the information that I got was accurate enough that he was able to verify.
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And now, how can I make something like that up to a crowd of people?
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And what was interesting is, you know, when I was doing the reading for him, I said why does this guy look familiar?
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And then when he said I'm the guy who found Kaley Anthony's body, I remember I saw him on TV like the year before and it was very, very startling.
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But the reason that psychics are not put on the witness stand in trial is because of the hearsay rule.
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Now, hearsay is is an out of court statement offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted.
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So in other words, this piece of paper would be hearsay unless it meets one of the exceptions and or if the hearsay statement can be subjected to cross examination.
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Now, clearly, we can't put a spirit on the witness stand and cross examine the spirit.
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Then people will ask well, how could psychic intuition possibly be useful to the police?
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Well, maybe they can't put me on the witness stand, but what I can do is give the police information that will point them in the right direction, to where then they can find evidence which is not hearsay and which is admissible.
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And I've been able to do that on a number of occasions throughout my life.
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And I know this isn't exactly what you were asking, but I think that this is a good follow up to why don't they just tell us?
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Well, they do tell us, but I may get a glimpse of where it happened, Like in the movie the gift.
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She saw the body hovering above the pond where the body died.
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You know, when I saw the body of Kaylee Anthony, I could feel the dirt, I could feel the, I could smell the water, and she was found in in a wetland area where the water had gone down a bit and a truck driver pulled over to relieve himself and he started smelling something and then he walked over to where it was.
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He thought it was a dead animal and he sees the body of this little girl there, all duct taped off up, which was the mesh that I felt on her face.
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So when you, when you find the evidence and then you look at what the information was transmitted from the spirit through me to the recipient, then it starts to make sense.
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And so a lot of times let's say I'm doing a reading on you and I'm giving you details like this.
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Initially they're not going to make sense, but they will or can at some point, once it leads you to where the body is or once you have a period of time to reflect on it and then figure out what it means.
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Yeah, and thank you for explaining that because I think again.
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People think of when a medium is communicating with the spirit.
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It's like the spirit walks in, sits down in the chair, the medium looks over, looks, sees the sees the person and they speak to them in English and they don't understand the process and I know it's different for every medium.
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To some people have different clairs and you might want to go into that as well.
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But people need to understand there is a process of interpretation that goes with with every medium that I've ever known.
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This.
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This is true.
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See, it's not Alexa or Siri.
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Well, just tell me this.
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You know some people come to me they have a whole list of questions, are going to hold on hold on.
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Spirit communication is not a visit to Santa Claus.
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We hop on his lap with the list and start saying I want this, I want this, I want this.
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What I do is I open up to frequency Once again.
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Everything is frequency and there's five main brain wave frequencies.
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There's gamma, which is like that's when you're on final jeopardy and your brain is just cranking to full throttle.
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Then there's beta.
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That's the state, brian, you and I are in right now.
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See activities for daily living.
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Then when we begin to relax, we go into alpha.
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Alpha is great and that's where you know you start to drift off your daydream.
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That's why a lot of mediums say that when we're engaging in spirit communication it feels like you're in a daydream because brain wave frequency wise we are, because you're going from the alpha to the theta state, which is deep, sleeper dream.
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And then the fifth main brain wave frequency is Delta.
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Very little activity, brain wave wise going on in Delta, but Delta is important because that's where you heal, you fight infections, so, so it serves a purpose.
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But on the alpha theta border you get to a lower megahertz.
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You know there's people always saying, oh, we must raise our vibration.
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Well, that's a term of art.
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Yes, we must raise our vibration, our aspirations, our inspiration to a higher level.
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But when it comes to spirit communication, we're quieting the mind and you're getting between I think it's between three and like 12 megahertz, which would be a very deep bass sound.
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So a spirit can see that and he, she or group of them will lower their frequency and align with the brain wave frequency of the recipient at the alpha theta border.
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This is why the most common form of spirit communication occurs in dreams, because when you're in that deep dream state is ideal for spirit communication.
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Spirit spot that they zoom in, they align and you can tell.
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And what's really wonderful about about the frequency alignment here is you don't have to be a medium to experience it.
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So many people come out of a dream saying you know, I really felt that, that my, my daughter talked to me in my dream and it felt real.
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And it's different than a regular dream, regular dreams of all that surrealistic quality of sun.
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Your toaster turns into a pterodactyl and flies around the room or you know I know you're laughing because we've all had those what Right?
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And then there's those visitations where that was a real conversation.
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You can tell the difference because the contact experience has beginning, a middle and an end and it's coherent and it and because it is a coherent contact.
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So for some reason that we still don't understand, mediums like myself are able to go to the beta, alpha theta border within seconds.
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Normally it takes the brain a period of time and relaxation to get into that mega low megahertz zone which is conducive to spirit communication, but for some reason I can do it while I'm in the beta state and I flip into alpha theta.
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It's also why medium ship is very exhausting.
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Mediums generally will only do one, maybe two readings a day, or more if they're.
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They're shorter.
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But there is a whole process based on our physiology, based on quantum, quantum physics and based on frequency alignment, which allows spirit communication to happen.
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Yeah, that's a wonderful explanation, and you just touched on something else that I think is really interesting about mediums.
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I have friends that are mediums that can literally only do one reading a day or they get sick, and I know a lot of mediums suffer from certain ailments, autoimmune diseases etc.
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So there is there is something going on with the body, and I know mediums and labs have been hooked up and they expect their brains to light up and it's actually the opposite their brains get very quiet.
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So I think the brain and I'm sure you know more about this idea, but the brain is more of a filter and a receiver than as a generator, consciousness, and it's like getting the brain out of the way, almost.
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Exactly exactly.
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And it's fascinating when you talk to people, very spiritual people, when you talk about to Christians who talk about Christ consciousness, what they're talking about is the same as what Hindus talk about with Krishna consciousness and Buddhist talk about as a state of enlightenment, and you hit the nail right on the head no pun intended, brian that we got to get the brain out of the way, you got to get the self out of the way, so that there's this energetic connection with the spirit, and that that's why the people who stop at this.
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We live in an immediate gratification society where you go up to an ATM, you punch a couple buttons and money spits out.
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You go to Alexa, tell me this.
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Or you grab your phone and ask it a question and it tells you things which is, which is miraculous.
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And 100 years ago, if you told somebody that you'd have this little canister in your house, you could go, alexa, play my favorite music and it would light up in your favorite music.
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They would look at you like you were insane.
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Or try to explain a microwave oven to somebody in the year 1920.
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They would think that was, that was absolute fantasy.
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So we live with all this miraculous technology around it and we don't give it a second thought.
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So why is spirit communication so bizarre?
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I'm going to explain something.
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Think about what goes into a cell phone call.
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You want to talk to your Aunt Martha and she lives in London.
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Your brain sends an electronic impulse to your vocal cords, so electrical energy, and it sends another impulse to your lungs.
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The electrical impulse to your lungs converts remember, energy is never created or destroyed, only transferred Electrical impulse to your lungs converts electrical energy to muscular energy which contracts shooting air out through your mouth.
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The other electrical impulse is converted into mechanical energy as your vocal cords begin to vibrate.
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Then sound wave energy comes out of your mouth and the sound wave then hits the plate inside of your cell phone.
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The sound wave energy gets converted to mechanical energy which hits a wire, converting it into electrical energy, which then hits the antenna, converting electrical energy to radio wave energy.
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The radio wave energy then hits a tower, converting that into electrical energy, which then runs it through miles of wires to a huge antenna, converting the electrical energy back into radio wave energy which is then beamed up to a satellite.
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The satellite then takes a radio wave energy, turns it into microwave energy.
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It bounces off a series of satellites until it locates the correct one that converts that microwave energy back into radio wave energy, which goes beams down to a collection point in England, taking that microwave energy, turning it into electrical energy, running it through miles of wires to a tower, converting it back into radio wave energy which then hits the antenna on antmarthas cell phone.
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Taking the radio wave energy, turning it into electrical energy, then converting it into mechanical energy which hits the vibrational plate, which then is converted into sound wave energy which hits her eardrum, therefore converting it into mechanical energy which then causes the stape's bones in the middle ear to hit the eighth cranial nerve, converting mechanical energy into electrical energy which then goes into the brain and she hears hi, this is Mark, aunt Martha.
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And all of that, brian, occurs at the speed of light, because everything in the electromagnetic spectrum moves at 186,282 miles per second.
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So we can do this every day and we do it all the time, but I can't talk to spirits.
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Yes, and that's fantastic.
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That is, I love that that detailed breakdown of the miracle that we live with every day.
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And if you tried to explain that to someone, as you said, 100 years or 200 years ago, they would have said that's impossible.
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If you tried to explain radio waves, you know it's interesting I just been doing, I was reading lately about this and I just found out I guess dark matter and dark energy weren't discovered until like 1998.
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If you could even call it discovered, because still no one knows what it is.
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What it is, and over 90% of the multiverses is dark matter, dark energy, which means that over 90% of creation is beyond our ability to perceive it.
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Yes, this is a really important point because I wish I could remember the exact quote.
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I need to look it up because Neil deGrasse Tyson was quoted and I didn't hear it from his mouth, but as they were.
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You know he doesn't believe in God.
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He's you know, he's his total materialist and he was like you know, if it's something that I can't see, that we can't interact with, that we can't prove, is this then that sounds like it's made up to me something to that effect, and I was reading this book about dark matter and dark energy.
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I'm like that sounds like the definition of dark matter and dark energy, but physicists readily accept that dark matter and dark energy is real and when it comes to mediumship, because we can't explain it yet, people say well, therefore it must not exist.
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Exactly and into paraphrase Dr Tyson, because I admire Neil deGrasse Tyson, I do too, and it's unfortunate that he doesn't believe in God.
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But that's his choice and everybody has that choice.
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He said the beauty of science is that you don't have to believe it for it to be true, and the beauty of the afterlife is that you don't have to believe in it for it to be true.
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I've conducted over 15,000 readings in my lifetime.
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I grew up with parents who saw spirits.
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This is literally part of my DNA, the things that I have witnessed, been part of, been honored to transmit for people.
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I can't possibly make these things up.
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It is astounding some of the things that come through and people are like oh my God, how did you know that?
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And it's like I don't, but they do Right.
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Right?
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Well, that's the thing is.
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I'm a rational person, I'm a chemical engineer by training and again I get excited when I see that science is catching up.
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But I have to say to myself, brian, I keep wanting to have use my logical, rational mind to understand this, and that's great.