From Corporate to Clairvoyant: Andrej Djordjevitch's Extraordinary Journey into Spiritual Enlightenment and Mediumship

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Hey everybody, this is Brian, back with another episode of Grief to Growth, and today I've got with me Andrej Georgevich.

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Andrej is a resident of Cardiff.

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He has an esteemed spiritualist medium, he's a healer, he's a trans medium and he's a tutor at Arthur Finley College.

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And if someone that goes over your head, don't worry.

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We're going to talk about what Arthur Finley College is, what trans mediumship is and all that stuff.

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For several years Andrej has walked a spiritual journey.

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He's dedicated himself to not only understanding but living the spiritual principles that he's on earth.

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He's again.

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He teaches at Arthur Finley College, which is a world famous college for medium ship.

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He also works with people one-on-one, giving readings, doing trans mediumship and doing healings.

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He serves a spiritualist church and we'll talk about the spiritual church.

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Spiritual church is, and it does, with something that's called evidence based mediumship.

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He helps to nurture individuals to tap into their own potential and teaches people to be mediums as well.

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So with that, I want to introduce to the grief to growth Andrej Georgevich.

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Thank you, brian, good to be here.

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Yeah, it's really a pleasure to have you here today.

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It was same before we got started.

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We have a mutual friend who speaks very, very highly of you and said you've got to get Andrej on your program.

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So here you are.

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I'm excited to have you here today.

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I always, when I talk to people that are in mediumship, I'm always curious how did you get started on this path?

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It's not a normal path, it's not a very typical path that people do as a living.

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So how did you get started in mediumship?

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Well, that's a great story because my background was nothing to do with mediumship.

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I wasn't one of these people that saw spirit.

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As a child, I knew nothing about mediumship, nothing about the spirit world.

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I owned a steel company.

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I was managing director of a steel company, so I was very much following a pathway of industry.

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And, obviously, being managing director, I had the perks of owning the company and I had private medical healthcare and I would take clients out for lunch, we'd play tennis, play squash, and one day I damaged my cartilage in my knee and a friend of mine that night said oh, tomorrow Fred the Heel is coming around.

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He can have a look at your knee for you.

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I said, don't be stupid.

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I said I have private medical healthcare and I will go to Boopa or whenever it was, I can't remember.

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Okay, well, I never went to Boopa.

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My knee was still bad.

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And a week later my friend said oh, friends coming around in this afternoon and that morning I'd gone to the opticians to get my first pair of bifocal glasses, you know, the ones where you look down to read.

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So I said okay.

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I said I'm going to sort this Fred out.

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I've got enough of this Fred guy, so I get my new glasses, I go back to my friend's house I say, okay, I got some money.

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How much does he want?

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No, it's free.

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No, I'm in business, I'm totally stupid.

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Nothing's free.

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There must be a catch.

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He said you know, do I have to sign up for some cult?

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No, it's free.

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I said okay, I'm going to sort this guy out.

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So I walked into the room and I sat down in front of him.

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I put my knee out in front of him.

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I was challenging him, I folded my arms tight and I glared at him and I can remember these words.

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I said I've been told you can fix my knee.

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I mean, I thought this guy was a joke.

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And he said okay.

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And he put his hands either side of my knee and as I looked down I could see what looked like smoke coming out of my knee.

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That's the only way I could describe it, brian.

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And afterwards I went back to the opticians to say I've had these new glasses this morning.

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And the reading bit when I looked down, I'm starting to see things.

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Can you change your prescription?

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They said well, tabry, sorry sir, we'll change it for you now.

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Well, they checked the prescription and they realized there's nothing wrong with the prescription.

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And this is where the weird thing started.

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Half of me is panicking because I'm starting to see things.

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The other half of me felt completely normal about seeing things.

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It's a weird thing for that to happen at the same time.

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So I rushed back and luckily Fred was still there and I walked into the room and he looked behind me and he started talking to somebody.

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Well, I turned around and nobody there.

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I thought this guy's nuts.

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Who's he talking to?

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Remember?

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I knew nothing about the spirit world, nothing about he.

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And Fred said look, I've just been told to tell you go to a spiritualist church, there's a message waiting for you.

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I said what church?

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When, how, who, where?

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And he said I've been told to tell you.

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You choose at random, don't tell anybody.

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And I didn't even know what a spiritualist church was.

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I looked up spiritualist churches, found a church, didn't tell anybody I was going, no connection to Fred.

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I went along Sunday six o'clock, opened the doors, a full congregation of people and three ladies at the front, and as soon as I opened the door, the middle lady turned around and pointed at me and she said we've been waiting for you, we have a message for you.

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Well, I'm starting to shake in my boots now because there's no connection between Fred and this woman, none whatsoever.

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And I could have run or go in.

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So I went in and basically, the message was this is a pathway that is open to you.

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If you wanted to walk it, do you want to walk it?

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And I virtually became clairvoyant overnight with that one touch from Fred.

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Well, it wasn't Fred, it was the spirit world.

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Wow.

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But when I look back I think the spirit world was probably knocking on my door for quite some time and I wasn't listening.

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I didn't even know there was a spirit world.

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So they were making things more and more and more dramatic.

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But that becoming clairvoyant and someone telling, repeating what Fred had said with no connection, more or less sold me the pathway.

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So how were they knocking on your door before that?

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Well, again, I didn't know at the time.

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Right, I didn't know at the time.

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But looking back, I was in business and I was good at what I did.

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When I was interviewing staff, for instance, I had a board of directors with me and they would see these of all the candidates, and people would walk in and I would say he's the one and they'd say, well, how would you know?

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Are you going to receive?

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I don't know, I don't need to receive Now.

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I just thought I was a clever businessman making clever business decisions.

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That's what I thought at the time.

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How can it be any different?

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But in reality, I know I was.

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I was being inspired, I was exercising my psychic senses.

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I didn't even know I had Wow.

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That's fascinating.

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So how about your knee?

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Was your knee healed at the time?

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My knee's still bad.

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Oh, wow Again.

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And this is perhaps something good about healing we get drawn to healers for maybe a problem that we think that we want to have cured.

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Maybe the reason is something else that needs to be addressed, and in my case it was certainly to feel the touch of the spirit world, to awaken something within me.

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That is fascinating Because you know, I know, people sometimes go to healers and we say well, the healing didn't work, my knee is still bad or my elbow is still bad.

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It was so fixated on the physical symptoms.

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I've got a bad elbow.

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I'm going for healing.

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Maybe they will.

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The healing will work, but maybe not in the way that you think it's going to work.

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Interesting, interesting.

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So, with the clairvoyance, when did you realize that this is something that you wanted to do, to teach and to go into it as fully as you have?

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Well, again, everything is about reflection and looking back.

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I want to go back to my teenage years and I was in school and I always wanted to be a teacher.

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I just had this feeling I wanted to teach.

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That's what I wanted to do.

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And you know, in the UK we have our exams I think it was 16, well, all levels to go to teacher training college and I didn't do any work because I knew I was going to teach.

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I didn't have to sit for my exams because I knew I was going to teach.

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So, anyway, we all sat our exams that summer.

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Of course, I failed them all because I hadn't done any work.

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All my friends went to teacher training college and my father said to me son, you're going to get a job.

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And I thought, and again I was in complete confused.

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Confused because I had this I really wanted to teach and I couldn't understand why I wasn't going to college at 17 with all my friends to learn to be a teacher.

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But it wasn't until later on, very later on, did I realize it was a different type of teaching.

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So it's something that's always been within me.

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I teach in an altered state, I teach in a trance state and basically I believe, or I know, that we are all part of everything, that is, we are a universal consciousness being expressed through a physical body, and we can tap into any aspect of universal consciousness whatever resonates with us, and I guess I've always tapped into an aspect of teaching, and so that's something that completely resonates with you.

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You know, it's like somebody that if they play a sport that they really, really love, they're tapping into their inner joy of what they want to do.

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I'm thinking so.

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You're a successful business owner, you go and you have this experience.

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And I think it's interesting also that they said that this path has opened you.

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So it wasn't like it was forced on you.

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It doesn't sound like it was your choice.

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And so what did the people around you think when you said I'm going to make this transition into this world?

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Well, again, it's all about starting to undo our human conditioning, because we put on a persona to the world of what we want people to see.

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So if I was a businessman, I put on this persona of what I think a businessman should be like.

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But now this other part of me is unfolding and initially it was quite difficult.

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The hardest part was telling my parents.

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You know, I was in my late 30s and my father he was from Serbia, or it was Yugoslavia in his day, but now it's Serbia, and they never talked about spirituality, they'd never talked about the spirit world.

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My father was a.

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He worked in a factory all his life, you know, and he came from a small village in Serbia.

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So I said look, dad.

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I said I need to tell you something.

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You know, I wanted my parents to know because I was starting to develop and work a little bit and I wanted them to know for me.

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So I said, dad, I need to tell you that I'm following this pathway of healing, which just happened all of a sudden.

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And my dad looked at me and he said oh, that makes sense.

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So what do you mean?

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He said Well, your grandmother was the healer for the village.

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Oh, wow, auntie was the seer they would go to.

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Your auntie went to plant the crops and they would go to your grandmother when they were ill.

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No, he never told me that in 30 years.

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Wow, wow.

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So that was my first step telling my parents.

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And then I didn't actually tell anybody.

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I just ran my business but also followed this pathway Evening and weekends, and so gradually more and more people started to find out about it.

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But because I was the boss, I don't think they didn't challenge me.

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And it got to a stage where I had to make a huge decision Because it was taken up so much of my time and running the business I couldn't do both together.

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And so I did, decided to give up the business and to follow this pathway full time.

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Wow, I wish I'd done it 20 years ago, wow.

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So how did the clairvoyance present?

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Because you mentioned clairvoyance, but you also mentioned healing, so sounds like the clairvoyance developed first.

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And what was that like?

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What were you?

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What were you seeing?

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Well, again, I have to say I am very, very lucky.

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Okay, I'm very lucky.

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The very first thing when something new happens to you, you want to find out what.

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What do I do?

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What's the next step?

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There's this thing.

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That's happened.

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What do I do?

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So you start asking people what you do meditate.

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I didn't even know what meditate was so okay.

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So I started to meditate, but what happened?

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This is again.

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This is crazy.

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When I closed my eyes to meditate, I got taken I can only describe it as taken to a place that resembled the world of Avatar.

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You know Avatar, that film.

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Yes, absolutely yeah.

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I first day close my eyes and I was in Avatar land.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah, and then these beings of light.

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I thought I can only describe them.

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They weren't human, but they were this intelligent beings of light showed me things and I sat for an hour to two hours a day for two years Because I was having these unbelievable experiences.

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Yeah.

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So after about a year of this, I started to talk to people Are you meditating?

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And they say, no, the boring.

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So I've been boring.

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Don't you get taken to this world, don't you have these intelligent beings show you stuff?

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They said what strange world, what stuff?

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Oh, so I realized I was having a totally different experience, absolutely.

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So.

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The clairvoyance initially helped me to process all the information that this intelligence was sharing with me.

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Then I had to decide how I was going to present that information.

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So, in other words, I had this information, I had this knowledge, I had this connection to this intelligence.

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Mm, hmm.

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Next stage.

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What do you do with it?

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How do you express that?

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So I started off by expressing it as healing.

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That's how I started, because healing is what's known as a passive mediumship, so in other words, you don't actively do anything in the healing session, you just become the healing intelligence that you're connecting to, and then the healing intelligence just manifests through you automatically.

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So healing was my very first way of expressing this spirituality.

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So were these beings giving you information?

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You were spending quite a bit of time with them.

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Were they telling you about the spirit world, about our world?

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What were they expressing to you?

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Well, again, it's very difficult for me to explain the process, and I'll try to explain the process, because how the information is transferred is you become part of that journey, you become part of what they are showing you and then you just know things.

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And so very early on they showed me a healing process of just actually learning to become the healing intelligence, and they were just showing various ways that they do it, by just accessing different aspects of universal consciousness, depending on what's required, and so they would show me it's like a universe where they could just go to any point in the universe and access any energetic point, whatever was required, and when they accessed an energetic point, they become that energy.

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So they wanted healing.

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They would just go to a point of healing in the universe, become the healing and it manifests, and so on and so on and so on.

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The other part of the journey for me is about personal growth, undoing all our human conditioning, because we are totally conditioned, we are totally working through a way that our parents have taught us, our religious teachers have taught us, our teachers in school have taught us, and maybe, maybe, that reality isn't exactly what we need, but part of my growth is undoing a lot of the things I've been told, certainly about mediumship.

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Yeah, yeah, I think that's true for all of us.

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You know we do.

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We have all been, as you said, programmed in a certain sense and we all put on these masks and we walk around and people expect us to wear the masks and we say we wouldn't take it off there.

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They're not usually very happy about it.

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Well, I'm the idea with a lot of couples who are having problems in their relationships and I you know from experience.

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I would say most of them have that problem.

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They've put on a mask of what they think their partner wants to see, which is great for a year or maybe two, but when they revert to being what they want to be and who they really are, their partner says what's happened?

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You changed.

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You're not the person I married, you're not the person I fell in love with, you're a totally different person.

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But they're only being themselves Right and, as you said, they're no longer presenting that mask that they presented at the beginning.

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Right, right.

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So I'm assuming that you initially did your healing and your mediumship probably in the Spiritualist Church?

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Is that correct?

00:22:51.190 --> 00:22:54.224
Yeah, I started 100% in the Spiritualist Church.

00:22:55.086 --> 00:23:00.633
And for people that don't know, could you tell them what the Spiritualist Church is, because it's not as big here as it is in the UK.

00:23:01.746 --> 00:23:29.457
Yeah, well, basically, a Spiritualist Church is basically like a church service, where there are prayers, there is some philosophy, but also spiritualists believe that there is no death and that when the physical body dies, you actually don't die.

00:23:30.325 --> 00:23:37.198
You move on as an individual energy, starting the next part of your journey.

00:23:37.198 --> 00:23:53.415
So in a Spiritualist Church, rather than people say, look, this is what you must believe, they try to prove through evidence that there is an afterlife.

00:23:53.415 --> 00:23:58.695
So in other words, they say, ok, I have your mum with me from the spirit world.

00:23:58.695 --> 00:24:03.734
And the people in the audience will say, ok, how do I know?

00:24:03.734 --> 00:24:04.316
It's my mum.

00:24:04.316 --> 00:24:16.394
And so they would have to provide some evidence to say, well, this lady's name is Joanna and she's got dark hair and she worked as a nurse.

00:24:16.394 --> 00:24:38.224
And by providing that factual evidence, it gives the people in the audience not only comfort that their loved ones are not dead, they are still alive, but also that they are never going to die.

00:24:38.224 --> 00:24:51.713
And maybe that's perhaps more important, because once you know, once you really know you can't die and there is no death, I think your life changes completely.

00:24:52.375 --> 00:24:53.017
Oh, absolutely.

00:24:53.017 --> 00:25:01.451
And that brings us to I was going to ask you to describe evidential mediumship because again, I think it's a little bit different in the UK than it is here from.

00:25:01.451 --> 00:25:12.777
My understanding is like it's really emphasized in the UK to provide evidence, and I know a lot of people in the US are skeptical about mediumship because they say, well, you just say general things.

00:25:12.777 --> 00:25:19.936
So can you maybe talk about the evidence in a spiritualist church and why it's so important?

00:25:21.505 --> 00:25:36.244
Yeah, one of the biggest problems of spiritualism, has Brian, is that there's not enough good mediums that can give factual evidence.

00:25:36.244 --> 00:25:39.244
That's the major problem.

00:25:39.244 --> 00:25:51.644
I would love it to be in a situation where anybody can go at any time to any spiritualist church and have factual information.

00:25:51.644 --> 00:26:07.030
All the time it's not quite there, it doesn't always happen, and I understand how some people go, and even in the UK they go, and there's this general talk which doesn't really prove a lot.

00:26:07.030 --> 00:26:33.317
But my training was with the British National Union, the SNU, and part of their tenants, part of their philosophy, is you have to provide evidence before you can even go on to give a message in the spirit world, because anybody can say they're giving a message in the spirit world.

00:26:33.317 --> 00:26:50.204
So we endeavor to try to give as much information so the person in the church is fully happy yeah, that is my mum, that is my dad, that is my child.

00:26:50.204 --> 00:26:52.913
And that evidence can come in different ways.

00:26:52.913 --> 00:27:05.837
It can come in names, but the personality is very easy to do because you feel the personality of the person.

00:27:05.837 --> 00:27:16.018
Relationship, job, hobbies, method of passing, shared memories is another one.

00:27:16.018 --> 00:27:28.039
So, yeah, initially we try to prove that evidence first and then, if it's a message, then bring a message.

00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:36.154
But I think things are changing, brian, and I'll tell you what I'm trying to do.

00:27:38.227 --> 00:27:41.835
I teach something that is cool because I specialize in trance.

00:27:41.835 --> 00:28:08.159
I thought well, if I can learn to allow the intelligence of the universe to speak through me, if I can learn to allow my spirit guides to speak through me, there's no logical reason why I can't learn to allow a disquanate spirit to speak through me.

00:28:08.159 --> 00:28:25.430
So, in other words, there's no reason why I cannot become a disquanate spirit and speak to the sitter directly, rather than the medium.

00:28:25.430 --> 00:28:29.969
Say, I have your mum in the spirit world and she's telling me this.

00:28:29.969 --> 00:28:35.311
She's telling me that I become a mum and I speak to.

00:28:35.332 --> 00:28:39.244
I don't know if your mum is in the spirit world or not, brian, but she was.

00:28:39.244 --> 00:29:04.856
I would become your mother and I would speak to you as your mother, using the terminology that your mum would use between you, using perhaps the words, the phrases, the tone, the pitch, the pace of how your mother would interact with you and also give you an opportunity to speak back to your mother.

00:29:04.856 --> 00:29:12.221
So that's the way I'm now starting to approach what I call evidence.

00:29:12.221 --> 00:29:16.353
Okay, and it is.

00:29:16.353 --> 00:29:20.923
I teach it, but it's really hard, because there's no hiding Right.

00:29:20.923 --> 00:29:26.057
You are either mum or you're not.

00:29:28.378 --> 00:29:29.244
I thank you for sharing that.

00:29:29.244 --> 00:29:33.238
That's the first I've heard of what that definition of trans mediumship.

00:29:33.238 --> 00:29:47.862
So you're saying that you're, you're connecting and I hear the word blending all the time, meaning I'm blending with the spirit, but you're allowing that spirit, you're becoming that person and speaking directly to the sitter as their, as their loved one.

00:29:47.862 --> 00:29:48.643
Yeah, yeah.

00:29:51.229 --> 00:29:55.894
Because but don't get me wrong, I teach it, brian.

00:29:55.894 --> 00:30:05.244
It's hard, it's really hard, but when it happens it changes the world, it changes everybody's.

00:30:05.244 --> 00:30:06.855
There's no hiding.

00:30:06.855 --> 00:30:09.795
Sure, you know, you know.

00:30:09.795 --> 00:30:23.400
So, yeah, so basically, trans mediumship, as I call it, is blending with an aspect of universal consciousness.

00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:28.075
I call universal consciousness everything that is.

00:30:28.075 --> 00:30:56.214
So when I do trans mediumship, the bulk of what I do I tend to blend with the healing intelligence, for healing I tend to blend with an intelligence that speaks, so I call it intelligence thought and then blend with the disk on eight spirit to become that person.

00:30:56.214 --> 00:31:13.978
Once you've learned the ability, in trance, to remove your consciousness and just allow that energy to become part of you, you then just have to decide what particular energies you want to become part of you.

00:31:13.978 --> 00:31:15.920
What resonates with you the most?

00:31:19.244 --> 00:31:20.488
You said it's really hard.

00:31:26.482 --> 00:31:27.546
Well practice.

00:31:27.546 --> 00:31:51.523
Think of it this way most people, when they blend, say with their spirit guides just call it spirit guides to make it easy they want to spend a couple of years building up a relationship, feeling comfortable, allowing that guide to come closer and closer and closer and, over a period of time, allow the guide to fully be part of it.

00:31:51.523 --> 00:31:55.567
You take a couple of years for that to happen.

00:31:55.567 --> 00:31:59.769
Now look at Discarnate Spirit.

00:31:59.769 --> 00:32:15.929
You're asking the stranger who you never met before, never met them before, to blend with you fully on day one, even though you have developed that trance to allow a blend to happen.

00:32:15.929 --> 00:32:17.553
It's a complete stranger.

00:32:18.019 --> 00:32:19.204
Yeah, so it's different every time.

00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:32.048
So some people find that difficult, and quite likely so it is difficult, but the more you practice the more comfortable it gets and it can be achieved.

00:32:35.382 --> 00:32:38.569
So I mentioned earlier in your intro, you teach at Arthur Finley College.

00:32:38.569 --> 00:32:44.827
Most of my listeners probably know it, as some people probably don't, so explain to people what Arthur Finley College is.

00:32:46.020 --> 00:32:57.827
Yeah, basically, the Arthur Finley College is, I would say, probably the most prestigious place in the world to learn about mediumship.

00:32:57.827 --> 00:33:04.467
They have courses on all types of mediumship.

00:33:04.467 --> 00:33:31.127
Most of again this is something I want to share with you Most of the courses tend to be about evidential mediumship, but in reality I'm finding not so many people want to learn evidential mediumship as much as they did, really, yeah.

00:33:31.127 --> 00:33:41.372
So bear in mind that you can only learn what you have been told you can learn.

00:33:41.372 --> 00:33:52.327
So if you want to learn mediumship, if I was to say to you, brian, you're going to learn some kind of mediumship, you'd automatically think of evidential mediumship.

00:33:52.327 --> 00:34:07.402
But there's healing mediumship, there's trans mediumship and there's evidential mediumship, and I've seen more of a shift between moving away from evidential mediumship into trans and healing.

00:34:08.184 --> 00:34:08.525
Really.

00:34:09.628 --> 00:34:12.784
Yeah, oh think with this.

00:34:12.784 --> 00:34:25.306
I have lots of clients that come to me as people who are struggling with their life perhaps they have a problem with their life and I say to them okay, what do you want to learn?

00:34:25.306 --> 00:34:26.922
Do you want to connect to the spirit world?

00:34:26.922 --> 00:34:29.951
Not really.

00:34:29.951 --> 00:34:31.708
Do you want to be a platform medium?

00:34:31.708 --> 00:34:33.525
No, not really.

00:34:33.525 --> 00:34:34.246
What do you want?

00:34:35.402 --> 00:34:47.711
Oh, I want to know why I'm here, what I can do, how can I grow as a person, how I can serve humanity, how I can help people to become better people.

00:34:47.711 --> 00:34:49.164
That's what I want to know.

00:34:49.164 --> 00:34:57.954
I'm finding more and more people are far more turning towards self-development and growth.

00:34:57.954 --> 00:34:59.164
Don't get me wrong.

00:34:59.164 --> 00:35:02.510
A lot of people still want to practice evidential mediumship.

00:35:02.510 --> 00:35:36.329
But I know, if I look at the courses at the Arthur Finley College now, there are more and more healing courses, there are more and more trans courses being presented, but of course, there's a lot of evidential mediumship courses still being presented and they basically give you an opportunity for you to unfold, to practice in a way, and get some guidance and some advice on what to do.

00:35:37.130 --> 00:35:50.802
Yeah, well, speaking of that because I noticed I mean you do healing, you do also trans mediumship, where you're bringing someone through, but you also it sounds like you coach people, you help people, as you said.

00:35:50.802 --> 00:35:51.826
Why am I here?

00:35:51.826 --> 00:35:52.788
What's my life path?

00:35:52.788 --> 00:35:53.710
All that kind of stuff.

00:35:53.710 --> 00:35:57.228
And then we hear that from most mediums that I work with.

00:35:57.228 --> 00:35:59.786
So how does that process work for you?

00:36:01.219 --> 00:36:05.463
Well, again, that evolve, everything evolves.

00:36:05.463 --> 00:36:16.684
I started off very much teaching evidential mediumship, healing and trans mediumship Fairly standard.

00:36:16.684 --> 00:36:47.972
But I noticed over a period of a couple of years that I started to change and more and more of my teaching, more and more of my sittings were about self growth but also about teaching, and I started to realize that I work in a far deeper, altered state.

00:36:47.972 --> 00:36:56.007
What I teach, I teach in a trans state and I can remember the first time that happened.

00:36:56.007 --> 00:36:57.324
It was amazing.

00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:16.650
I am, I work with some organizers, some course organizers in America, and we planned this weekend online during COVID, and we set the days out, the times out, what we were going to cover, what I was going to cover.

00:37:16.650 --> 00:37:21.507
And then I work with an intelligence that I call Michael.

00:37:21.507 --> 00:37:32.869
That's not his name, but I label it Michael and that's the intelligence that guides me and supports me, but it's only a label that I use.

00:37:32.869 --> 00:37:37.811
And in one day he said oh, andrea, I'll take the course this weekend.

00:37:37.811 --> 00:37:40.248
And I said yeah, of course you will.

00:37:40.248 --> 00:37:46.452
You know, you will inspire me to move and say certain things.

00:37:47.541 --> 00:37:50.150
No, he said, I will take the course this weekend.

00:37:50.150 --> 00:37:52.065
What do you mean?

00:37:52.065 --> 00:38:01.088
He said well, on Saturday morning you turn the machine on and on Sunday night you turn the machine off.

00:38:01.088 --> 00:38:08.027
Wow, and all of a sudden I'm emailing America.

00:38:08.027 --> 00:38:10.012
Can we change the weekend?

00:38:10.012 --> 00:38:14.903
Yeah, what you want to change around, what anytime stops.

00:38:14.903 --> 00:38:15.806
You want to make different.

00:38:15.806 --> 00:38:16.710
I said no.

00:38:16.710 --> 00:38:26.590
Can we change it where I would do it in trans and again huge decision to make.

00:38:26.590 --> 00:38:28.777
I could have said no.

00:38:29.398 --> 00:38:29.599
Yeah.

00:38:31.224 --> 00:38:32.148
I'm good at what I do.

00:38:32.148 --> 00:38:33.543
I'm a good tutor.

00:38:33.543 --> 00:38:35.103
I plan things out.

00:38:35.103 --> 00:38:48.427
All of a sudden, I've been asked to put that to one side and just allow the intelligence of the universe to teach, and that's the best thing I ever did.

00:38:48.989 --> 00:38:49.188
Wow.

00:38:50.599 --> 00:39:01.483
And that has now evolved again into what I teach is called transformational spiritual life coaching.

00:39:04.324 --> 00:39:30.632
And what I do and what I teach is to first of all teach people to be able to go into the trans state and then get people to allow the intelligence of the universe to analyze the client and to manifest for that client whatever they need.

00:39:30.632 --> 00:39:36.471
It's normally we, as humans, we like to control everything.

00:39:36.471 --> 00:39:41.086
When it comes to you, I got a problem, oh, I'll give you some healing.

00:39:41.086 --> 00:39:45.447
But how do we know that they need healing?

00:39:45.447 --> 00:40:09.431
That's a human thing, that's a human thought, and so I'm teaching this to allow people to completely surrender to the intelligence of the universe and let the intelligence of the universe decide what the person needs to experience to grow or to get better.

00:40:09.431 --> 00:40:12.025
Is it a pure energetic healing?

00:40:12.025 --> 00:40:16.788
Is it a trans speaking words of wisdom?

00:40:16.788 --> 00:40:22.969
Is it trans evidential, where a disquanate spirit comes in to say hello?

00:40:22.969 --> 00:40:30.670
Is it learning them to be a coach and to guide others into a process?

00:40:30.670 --> 00:40:40.596
And I get people to trust in the intelligence to call the shots, not the medium or not the teacher.

00:40:40.615 --> 00:40:42.159
Interesting.

00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:44.148
Yeah, I've never heard that.

00:40:44.148 --> 00:40:49.251
That sounds fascinating and something that actually, frankly, of great interest to me.

00:40:49.251 --> 00:41:16.519
I have a lot of good friends that are mediums, and I'm trying to learn to rely more on my own intuition, and I think it's kind of like you were saying earlier, though we all have a certain level of intuition that is with us during our lives, but we don't call with that and we just say I feel like I knew this, I knew the right thing to say and that, realizing that it is coming from some other intelligence, exactly.

00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:24.251
Yeah, it's best part of us and perhaps that's one of the first things we all have to learn.

00:41:24.251 --> 00:41:31.626
Again, I was so naive when I first started developing I thought I'd have two minds.

00:41:31.626 --> 00:41:39.052
I had André's mind with my thoughts and then separate mind with the thoughts of the spirit world.

00:41:39.052 --> 00:41:41.346
It doesn't happen that way.

00:41:41.346 --> 00:41:43.626
It all happens in your mind.

00:41:43.626 --> 00:41:57.344
Interesting, yeah, and I was taught very early on, especially for trans speaking, that I would go into a sleep-like state.

00:41:57.344 --> 00:42:05.230
I would not know what was happening and when I was in a sleep-like state, in trans, the spirit world would speak through me.

00:42:06.021 --> 00:42:18.431
Okay, so I'm sitting in quite a deep, altered state and then one day Michael says I want to speak and I said you can't, it's not allowed.

00:42:18.431 --> 00:42:20.907
He said what do you mean?

00:42:20.907 --> 00:42:28.704
I know who you are, I know what you're going to say.

00:42:28.704 --> 00:42:31.405
I'm not in a sleep-like state.

00:42:31.405 --> 00:42:35.809
I don't want people to think that I'm cheating or pretending.

00:42:35.809 --> 00:42:39.467
So no, you can't speak and it's been off for months.

00:42:39.467 --> 00:42:42.186
I'm trying to get into this sleep state.

00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:44.465
Michael is saying he wants to speak.

00:42:44.465 --> 00:42:45.503
I'm not allowing it.

00:42:45.503 --> 00:42:52.528
So one day Michael said okay, andre, there's only one way around this.

00:42:52.528 --> 00:42:58.666
Why don't you say to your friends, your colleagues in your group?

00:42:58.666 --> 00:43:06.610
Why don't you say to them these words, why don't you say can I share my thoughts with you?

00:43:06.610 --> 00:43:23.327
And I thought, hmm, yeah, I can do that because I'm not cheating, I'm conscious and they are thoughts in my mind, in André's mind, but I'm going to verbalize.

00:43:23.327 --> 00:43:26.702
So I said to them can I share my thoughts with you?

00:43:26.702 --> 00:43:27.585
Not a problem.

00:43:27.585 --> 00:43:45.385
And the moment I did that, the first couple of sentences were André's thoughts and then the third or fourth sentence became Michael's thoughts, because it's going through the process of André's mind.

00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:48.041
Yeah, thank you.

00:43:48.041 --> 00:43:50.780
That's really interesting because I've heard people.

00:43:50.780 --> 00:44:00.702
There's a debate about what's truly trance and you know, I know some teachers even say there is no such thing as trance and if you're in trance then you shouldn't remember.

00:44:00.702 --> 00:44:03.699
You know what you said and I hear you saying that.

00:44:03.699 --> 00:44:06.465
Something different, at least in your experience.

00:44:07.317 --> 00:44:09.282
Yeah, well, that's how it starts basically.

00:44:09.282 --> 00:44:13.425
So, in other words, that's probably a light trance.

00:44:13.425 --> 00:44:35.565
In other words, okay, where you are speaking the thoughts of the spirit world, you're speaking the thoughts of the intelligence of the universe, but you also have an awareness of what's been said and I can only describe it, and there's no disrespect to the spirit world or my call or anybody.

00:44:35.565 --> 00:44:40.427
It's almost like you get bored listening.

00:44:41.389 --> 00:44:41.610
Hmm.

00:44:42.253 --> 00:44:44.541
I'm there, oh yeah, what's Michael talking about?

00:44:44.541 --> 00:44:45.619
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, great.

00:44:45.619 --> 00:44:49.302
And then, oh no, I think he's not speaking.

00:44:49.302 --> 00:44:50.826
He's not speaking about heaving again, is he?

00:44:50.826 --> 00:45:03.505
Oh, okay, I'll drift off a bit and then I just gradually removed myself a little bit, so, in other words, I wasn't put my awareness of what was being said.

00:45:03.505 --> 00:45:10.451
I knew he was speaking about healing, but I wasn't listening to every single word.

00:45:10.952 --> 00:45:11.193
Yeah.

00:45:11.934 --> 00:45:19.679
And then a bit later you know, six months later, maybe a year later, whatever I removed myself even more.

00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:27.016
So I got to a stage okay, I know I'm speaking, but I don't know what I'm speaking about, but it doesn't matter.

00:45:27.016 --> 00:45:34.224

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