From Near-Death to Spiritual Healing: Debra Martin's Story

Hey everybody, this is Brian back with another episode of grief to growth today I've got with me Deborah Martin. She's a world renowned healer. She's an international research lab certified medium with their Winbridge Research Center, and she's also the author of six books. Her skills have been meticulously documented by a scientific community, most notably Dr. Gary Schwartz and Dr. Julie Beisel. She's a spiritual coach to survivor of three near death experiences, and she's also a cancer survivor. And after her third in the age, she became a healer. And she's developed a healing technique that's not being done anywhere else in the world, where she combines her mediumship and our healing abilities to embrace others with God's love and healing. She has been featured in national media including two anti documentaries, she has been on radio networks such as coast to coast with George Noory, and Hay House Radio. Our episode titled proof of miracles on beyond belief with George Noory aired on the Gaia network in December of 2022. With great success, she has recently filmed another episode that will be released soon. And her message is that miracles exist. And there's always hope, and that nothing is too big or too small to heal. So that I want to welcome Deborah to Greta growth.

I'm so grateful to be here. Thank you so much.

I'm really excited to have you here too. As we're saying, before we start recording, I've known you for a while I've known of you for a while. And I really am excited about getting you on the program to talk about you because you've you've had an incredible story and incredible talent. So let's start with your NDEs. You've had three NDEs. So tell me about that.

You know, you look back at your ndS and you want to know well, what did each one of them teach you? What was the opportunity that that was there for you? Because when you go through it, you don't look at it as an opportunity. You look at it like oh my gosh, what did I just go through? So my first en de was where I was out the same night that Princess Diana had her accident or car accident. And I was out with a group of friends. And it was time. You know, we all watched it on the screen. We all felt that heaviness. I was a single mom of three children, Princess Diana, just you know, the children lost her. And I just had this. Everybody had that strong connection. Right? So getting into the car that night was a sports car. I wasn't the driver. I was going to be sitting in the backseat. I was like I'm not supposed to get in this car. I didn't know why I had that feeling. And my friends are like, just because you watch the show. And I'm like, no, no, there's there's a strong feeling I'm not supposed to get in this car. Well, I did. And we were on the freeway in the slow lane. It was dark. And I immediately knew something was going to hit us. It was like, like a vision that came across my mind is like this is going to happen. And I said not now. Not yet. Not now I'm a single mom of three like No Not now, at that same moment when I said that now, a truck from the fast line lane. big truck without windows came and sideswiped us. He flipped off the freeway three times. And we took out 40 feet of guy guardrail and ended up facing traffic at that moment. I'm stuck in this little pocket in the backseat of the car. We can't get out were crushed. And divine intervention came that day. I didn't know it at the time. It was a gentleman that appeared open the door effortlessly carried each one of us to the NG embankment. And I remember him saying you're going to be okay. And I said no, no, no, I was wearing this one ring was a metal ring very, very strong. And I said I can't get this off my fingers bleeding it it hurts. Can you help me? He took the ring and he put it in his mouth. I have his teeth marks to this day. And it's a bloody finger. Now we wouldn't do that right putting it in his mouth and he was able to release it. He kissed me on the forehead went to the left and said You're gonna be fine. I'll see you again. Well, I look to the right because all the ambulances, we have five ambulances. We have fire trucks. Everybody coming. I looked to the left and he was gone. No one's ever seen him. That moment. I didn't know what that was what you know, I was like, Okay, what just happened. And that kind of led me on my quest of the afterlife. Can this you know, going to conferences trying to see and get validation out of it. It kind of opened my door again. As a child I could see spirit but I was always afraid to close that off. And I think this was the first door that was starting to open that again. So then my second nd I was once again in a car and I was came to a stop kind of like a left turn and baked meant you're going to turn into a neighborhood and you're waiting for the traffic to clear so you can cross the street just sitting there no premonition this time. And remember, I didn't even know what a premonition was. For but now I did. This didn't was not given to me. I was just all of a sudden, somewhere else, looking down at what was going to happen to me. So I had an out of body experience. I'm standing there looking down. Ooh, this is not good. And I remember the strong being behind me never, never looked back. But I felt like I knew this being and it said, are you ready? At that moment, I was like, No, my three kids need me but I'm not gonna survive that. I saw a big truck carrying tractor equipment behind it that was going to come and crush me. In a split second. I was now once again in the backseat of the of the little part of the seat. In the backseat of my car, my my seat, the driver's seat broke. I'm there with a mouthful of glass. My four door Honda is now crushed. All windows, everything were broken. Everything that was in the car was in the street. So I have a police officer and another another gentleman that come to my window. Hey, okay, are you okay? We tried to get this man off the road. He was in a diabetic seizure. He hit me at 65 miles an hour. I was what stopped him. And then the other gentleman, he says, are you okay? And he goes, No. I don't know what just happened. I should have crushed her. But something took my steering wheel may put me into oncoming traffic. So I didn't hit her. When I heard him say that those words. That's when I was like, whoa, wait a minute. I saw that. Huh? That now led me to. Okay, where was I? I heard spirit. I know. There's another dimension. I know, somebody talked to me. I know it's given a choice. I know I was out of body without feeling any pain, before impact. So there's a lot of things I was learning. But now I'm hearing spirit. And I'm hearing very clear. So that's opened the door for me to get tested with our Decarie Schwartz and Dr. Julie by Shel. So that was kind of the blessing out of that one. But it didn't seem at the time. So my third nd that one was also out of body. But this time I was sick and dying. The doctors at Mayo Clinic couldn't find out anything wrong with me. I was down to 90 pounds, the doctors were saying, Well, are you anorexic? And I'm like no, if I eat I'm in extreme pain, I would lay in my bed in a fetal position. in so much pain, if I would just take a sip of water. I'd be like in labor for 24 hours. And so I lost all ability to have bowel movements. So my dignity was starting to be stripped away. It was teaching me how people in there when it's time to pass, it's not that they don't care about their loved ones here. But they know it's time for them. And they know that it's okay. So I can remember begging God just take me just take me I'm, I'm in a lot of pain. I'm not serving, I'm not not serving Anyone good in my family. They're just all worried about me. So I remember spiritual surgeons coming into my room. And because I was a medium now and doing readings that didn't scare me seeing them. And I remember them, you know, they were the whole surgical outfits. I remember them cutting up in my abdomen. And it was extremely painful. And I said, I was screaming and pain going, Okay, I have to go through this. But how am I going to go through this? How am I gonna go through what they're doing? I could see pus coming out. It was like they were extracting it through a thin straw. So it was like, pulling. So I decided I'm gonna close my eyes. I'm just going to remove my mind with what's happening. And when I did, I transcended out of my body. At that moment, I felt like wow, this is great. I thought I was just meditating. I'm floating, I'm going to another space. Well, now I'm seeing white and it's getting clearer and clearer and clearer. And now I'm standing in this white light and I'm just kind of looking around like, I'm the only one here now what where am I? And I can remember this being coming towards me a bright light, very clear, you could see through and I remember the arms coming like this and started holding me. And now I'm seeing my body being held. So now I'm standing there. But now look at look back at as my soul is watching. I remember my body my hair hanging down. I'm like, Ooh, I'm really sick. Being carried. So I call this my God was there to to carry me. And he placed me I followed him, he placed me on a beam of light. He placed me on this beam of light. There was also a coffin next to it. It was a beautiful glass coffin, and I thought, Oh, am I going to get a choice? Can I at least sit in that glass coffin, it looks really, really pretty. And I'm like, I don't think that's a good idea to ever. Let's just carry on. So God led me to this space, he said, Follow me. And we went into what looked like a white dome. I said, Well, why do we have to go in there is interesting. I'm questioning everything as I go along. So because what I'm going to share with you, only you can hear no one else in the universe. So it's like I was sitting down at a table, and God stands behind me looking over, and I see a lifespan contract. And it's my my contract. And he's like, You were on borrowed time. But we can reverse this. You can go back and I'm like, Well, I don't want to go back. I'm, I'm happy, I'm filled with love I, I'm a pain free, why would I want to go back? It's like, we, you need to go back. And I said, Well, can I first see my parents? Know, whatever. If you see your parents, you'll never go back. So I read the contract. And there was a lot of words, one was healthy, and one was voice. Health didn't have the L y there. And I'm like, well, health means nothing was heavy, unless it says healthy. So I'm kind of bartering like, I needed to say directly what I, if I'm going to go back, I want to be healthy. So then I saw a voice while I was like, Oh, that's easy. I'm just using my mediumship. That's my voice was downloaded with much more than that. I was downloaded with the gift of healing. And I was told I was we have a new mission. And not to forget this date, 121 12. All numbers are reversible. And so is this here today. But that also signed that contract. So I remember him saying now you need to go back. So when I went back, I can remember going back into my body almost like, you're you're going like an air mattress, you know, like it feels back up. I remember almost like you're being held on underwater, you go like that. And I'm like, Oh, I just took my first breath. Am I the same person? What just happened? You know, and you're, you're, you're now you're kind of questioning what is what was that real? Was that just a vision? What, what what really happened? So I started writing it all because I didn't want to forget it. I won't forget it because it was deep it deeply into the core of who I am. And I started doing healings. And I started seeing miracles. Now I was it took time for me to heal. It wasn't like I just came back and I was healed right away, which showed me that healing can be a process. And I had to stand in this knowing that I would be healthy. And that. Why did I not ever find out what was wrong with me? Why did I not know the title? Why couldn't doctors find this out. And this is important for the viewers to know. Because a lot of people want to know, I want the diagnosis so I can fix it. What happens is I was told when I went into prayer, we didn't want you to be labeled with it. Once you receive a diagnosis of sun, you own it. And it becomes part of you. It was me it was a part of me without that attachment. It's so much easier just to heal, because we don't just say, Oh, that I had that, or I still have that or it could come back. So it was a powerful moment. But I started doing healing. And I learned this this kind of makes me weep every time I use my mediumship in my healing, right. And so I'll see loved ones come in around. I'll see spiritual surgeons come in the room, I'll see God come into the room, I'll see angels come into the room of voice words from loved ones that are there for their love, you know, connecting with the person that's healing. But what's most importantly, is Spirit uses my boys. I will know things that there's no way I would know about you. I won't know anything about you and it might come it might be something that you were dealing with at the age of seven that you totally forgot and you push deep down. God brings that forth. And you're like I forgot about. And so it's so profound, that they could not be my words. Kind of like when you do your mediumship right. You're allowing the words to come through they mean nothing to you, and then you deliver them and they mean so, so much more. But this goes on such a deep level because now we're healing physically, our body. We're healing emotionally, and we're doing spiritually, and there'll be times where we go on a spiritual journey, where they actually feel like they're having an out of body experience, or they're just have having the vision give to them for them to visualize in their mind. But I've taken people on spiritual journeys now to have their own connection. People have felt the embrace of their loved one, people have smelled them, they felt their body, like wrap their arms around them, they've heard words from them. They're having the one on one connection, and I get to witness it and speak it. And it's healing. It's beyond healing, because it goes deep within but now you're healing to two that have lost that connection. Right? And, and so the mediumship just goes on a whole nother level now, where I allow the voice of Spirit to continue to take over in all areas emotionally, physically and spiritually.

Yeah, speaking of that, you before we started recording, you mentioned that your mediumship had recently changed, and what way is it change?

Well, so now, when I do readings, I do readings with my healing. So it's like, are you dealing with grief? Or do you have stomach issues? Or do you have back issues? Or what else is is? What are you dealing with? And then have you lost a loved one? Is there somebody that you want to connect with? Could that be maybe a root cause? Or do you just want to connect with that loved one. So this family came, the mother had been to many mediums, all of them have had readings. The children are older, but the father passed of suicide when they were teens. I think the youngest was nine at the time. And so she want to do a family session with the dad. So I will connect with the dad for about 45 minutes before the session, I will get a bunch of information. Right? I will relay that information before the session, go into the healing. Now we're going to heal individually. That Father, we went on a spiritual journey, he lived his entire family up, he spoke directly to each individual, verbatim what they were doing in their life, what he had to say to them, maybe what they were holding on since you they were a child since he passed. But when it came time to talk to Mom, mom comes up front and center, they're talking face to face like this kids are all in a row. And he speaks to her and says all these words, I couldn't even repeat them the Chi mails back and says, I'm astounded. Every word he spoke was verbatim what he wrote in his suicide letter to me. I mean, you can't, when it just flows like that, it's not like me, but they they all heal, they healed on a physical level one was suicidal, one of the boys was suicidal, and she didn't know that he was even going to survive. Two weeks later. He's thriving with work. Because this father says, I believe in you. I know you have this ability. You're You're strong. And you know, you're as smart as I am. So allow me to help you. I'm going to work through you. Three weeks later, he's engaged. And now they're pregnant. Is his life totally turned. And so it's it's this. We have a stigma, that society of religion right now, like, you know, what do you believe? And is one religion better than another religion? And I'm like, if religion works for you, I think that's really great. I think that they're all schools. That's how I look at their schools. But I think right now, it's like a knowingness that we need to connect with. It's a power, it's an infinite love. And I think if we can, don't have judgments don't have expectations, or what we have to do in order to believe in order to receive and just be and know that we can connect and have that relationship no matter what. I think that's what it's all about. And I think that's the same when we use our mediumship. To help others. It's opening that door of awakening them to know that there's more than just what exists in front of us. Yeah.

I want to talk to you, Deborah, about about mediumship. In general, I do I have some skeptics, let's be kind and call them skeptics who follow my channel. And I have people that say to me, mediumship is all fake, it's all they look you up. I've got a guy now telling me just exactly how they do it. You google the person, you'd look at their obituary, etc. And now you've been tested by Dr. Gary Schwartz and by Dr. Julie Beisel. So tell me about what that process is like.

So you can look it up on the Winbridge Research Center when you're when Birdshot work, and it's laid out exactly what we went through. So it'll be described more detailed what I can tell you, but I'll give you a little idea. Okay, so it's quadruple blind experiment. So, Julie, Dr. Julie vital will know who you're going to connect with. Right? So she picks someone for you, you're told that it's a male. That's it. Okay. But it doesn't come from Julie, she passes it over to somebody else. That gives it to me. So there's no way that this person knows anything about where it's coming from. Right, we alleviate that. So then now I get, it's a male. So I have to sit down with that male. What does he look like? How old is he? What's his personality? Does he have a message? Who does he have a message for? How did he die? What is his personality? What are his traits? What is he like? All of that. And so it gets tricky, because you're writing it. And then you have to submit it. So you have to make sure I received it this way. This is how he showed me he didn't tell me like color blue, he showed me the color blue, things like that. Right? So then that sitter, the senator is the person with the loved one, right? She's gonna get two readings in front of her. One is the actual reading and one is somebody else's reading. Okay, so she now gets these. And that comes from one of somebody else like not Julie, not this person submit. She has a score it, which one's hers? And how many things are correct. And that's how we got scored, whether it was real or not real because there was no one else involved. And then the last step is we have a one on one with with the sitter. So it's quite the process. I know that she's she's tried to go through a lot of testing. And eventually, she had to stop the testing because people couldn't pass it. So the group that we have now that she that we are the Winbridge, you know, mediums for her, it's I'm pretty proud to be to say that I was a research medium, because you're going through the process and you don't know, it's like you're handing over information. You don't know if it's correct or not, but you're trusting it. Yeah. And

thank you for going through that. And I know Gary's process is somewhere I've read the afterlife experiments many years ago, and I work with Gary now. And I know that both of these people are very serious. They understand how to design protocols. I I've got lots of friends that are be employed know that mediums are good people. There are some people out there who are fraudulent, that's for sure. But the things that I've had mediums tell me the things that people can't, people can't look up. And I know that you've had those experiences as well.

Well, some things will tell about the future. Like they'll tell something like I'm holding a baby over here. I know that you're going to feel like, Oh, I'm missing out. But oh, no, I know this child. I know everything about this child. And we put a little personality into this child. And then all of a sudden, two weeks later, they find out somebody in the family is pregnant. You know, and so it's, it's fascinating because as mediums and we could deliver the message, we don't know nothing we just give it and then when we're finished giving it we're like, okay, are they gonna validate anything? Or they'd come back and tell us anything? And that's what tells us like, Okay, we were correct. I did a murder. I don't know if you know that I did a murder that went international. That's where the Yeah, so it went in the psychic news magazine. It was the cover. And so what happened was is the news wanted to come in and do a, a live recording. And they wanted to bring the person and so I would know nothing about them. So that person wanted to connect with their deceased aunt. So she came, and she came with her nephew and the mother, the sister of the person that was deceased. And as we were sitting there, she starts telling her like you had such a difficult morning, you just get your bangs cut you're so worried about today. You were just so fussy about like, oh my gosh, we'll go look good for TV. And she's like, Yeah, I did do that. So she kind of set the tone where she knew like, Okay, I know I'm connecting with her. And once I got that, all of a sudden I kid you not. It was like this huge movie just went right across my face. And I went, had to take a deep breath and I go, Oh my gosh, I can deliver some news. That's going to be really, really hard to say. So I had to say it delicately and say okay, I want you to know she's okay. But I don't know if you're aware of that your aunt was murdered. And so she showed how she was murdered, why she was murdered, who murdered her descriptions, names, that she's in a photo with him wearing a blue shirt, that it was for the property to sign over her property to these two, two men. But she didn't want to. So they strangled her. And they took over the property. So that woman knew that this was her aunt went back to Peru had the body exhumed because she was told she died of stomach cancer and a heart attack. And the coroner said this is impossible that this this is a body that's been in the grave for three months, all her organs were fresh. They were able to reroll and say she didn't have stomach cancer. She didn't die of a heart attack she had that died of asphyxiation. So then they handed over to the investigators, and they were able to see the signatures were forged on her property. And the name that I gave, they were able to find him. And he he admitted to the crime and has been with serving 30 years in the prison. I knew nothing. She knew nothing. I couldn't read her mind. Where did that information come from?

And I know, I know, mediums and it's interesting. The police will contact mediums that I know and they don't they don't publicize this, but they do contact mediums. And sometimes they find they find people live to find people not alive. I was in situation once I shouldn't say the names probably but I was helping parents heal conference. And there are a couple of mediums during the demo. And someone asked about their loved one. And I watched both mediums independently getting information about this person that was missing and knew where they kind of like what location they were in what the environment was like, it was fascinating.

It is fascinating. I've done a couple of those. In fact, I don't like watching the news, because it'll be like, I know where she's at. So I remember reaching out to the police in San Diego, this girl went missing. And I told him where she was he goes, and I told her that she had a missing shooter. And that was found like that we haven't put that out in public yet. How did you know that? I'm just giving you the information. No, then they think you're connected to it. Right. Right back to be careful with that. So but what I always say is spirit has a voice. So people better be careful. Right? They do.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's interesting, because I wonder sometimes as we progress and start to realize that this is true, if you know, people can testify thrown murder trials, once we start to realize that mediums really have a connection.

They have been I think in in another country, they use them in court. Yeah, they do. Because if the evidence is so if the medium got so much evidence, why not look at what happened here in Peru? They had said we would I would I come to Peru and because they're going to do a movie, I guess they're doing a movie on it. I said, I'll send my book with with the story of it. But I'm not coming to Peru.

So tell me about your healing sessions. I know they're different than people might have experienced before. What is what are your healing sessions like?

Okay, so if somebody contacts me for a healing, I do group healings and I do private healings. What's nice about the group is, again, I do people all over the world, and we all gather as one, right? And then I haven't seen anyone say, well, more than one people gather that energy just raises. And we just, it's remarkable to hear and to witness how many people will come with. I got a kidney issue, I got any issue. I'm like, Okay, this was this group is formed. So it's so let me just walk you through the process of a healing session. So you'll email me and you might not tell me anything. I don't need to know anything. I just need a healing. I'm struggling. Okay, so all I need is your picture. And I want a full body picture. Some people like to tell me what's going on because they like me to put that in my my prayers prior. So instead of saying this is John and he has heart issues, I'll say here's here's John, and thank you for healing as hard issues, kind of going in with that positivity. So then, because I've seen spiritual surgeons before. I will see that once I take their picture in my healing room and I let it sit there for hours when I come back, I can see the spiritual surgeons who set up the room. And then I go into prayer. And then then I go into the session when I go into the session, I will lay down on a healing table I place your picture on my abdomen Where I can become your proxy. At that moment, I'm now connected. And I can feel the energy, sometimes I can see the energy in the room, but my stomach will start going up and down. And what happens is a beam of light, God's beam of light will come and attached to the solar plexus. And now my stomach's breathing, and I'm connecting to that oneness, that same frequency and energy, and that's flowing through me, that energies of healing light loves coming through, but it's also taking out of the body through that beam into the universe. What one that that body doesn't need anymore. So we've healed cancer, we've healed emotional mental illness, we've healed everything, and anything can be healed, even as simple as a toothache. And so during the healing, I might see spiritual search and start working. And when they start working, sometimes I have to feel the pain. I'm like, Oh, they're in the gallbladder or they're in you know, they're in the groin. I'll feel it. But when I feel it, people feel so bad, because they hear me because this isn't live. This is all you're in your sacred space. I'm in my sacred space. I'm recording it, and you will get the recording after. And so when they hear it, they're like, I'm so sorry. You went through so much pain for me? And I said, No, no, that's a gift. Because if I feel it, I know that they're actually working there. But you have to have such a trust what you're saying, because I'm saying, you know, you have kidney issues, and you're wearing a bag on your left side. I know nothing. And I'm going to send that across the world. And they're gonna go How do you know, I had a kidney bag. I didn't know that I had these issues. And it's not me, it's the voice coming through me. So I give the credit all to what I say is God, people say Divine Source, absolute oneness, all to me means means love. And so we're putting love into action. And we're healing. And so if we go on a spiritual journey to God has words for you, you're gonna meet a loved one there. had children come meet the parents there. When they, when you do, it's like, okay, the vision comes to me as if that same movie, I'm seeing it in my mind, and I'm explaining, okay, here we go, this is what we're gonna do. And I walk you through the process, and I'm there to witness and see it all. And it's just, it's beautiful. It's beyond beautiful. I've been able to go to spaces that are that you don't see here on Earth, these colors are vibrant, and, and the amount of peace and love and every time I feel God enter the room, I will weep uncontrollably, you can't even I can't even help it. It's like, sorry. If it was it's just beautiful, because you know, they're being held in this God's love and enlightened healing. So then when the session is all over, we just kind of all just breathe, you know, I come back into your body. And we give gratitude for what took place. And then I have to say I only do one healing session a day, because it takes a lot of energy. But I also want it to be that person's day. So they will continue to heal for 24 hours. I've had people on there and say, I could feel exactly what you were feeling. At the same time. I had one person that had bile duct cancer, and I felt like I was gonna throw up and I'm like, I'm gonna throw up bile. I'm gonna throw up. I'm throwing up bile. She was throwing up bile at the same time. So when she documented it's like, we were feeling the same thing. Same times I've connected where I'm like, Oh, your, your daughter's here. I see her across the world in the UK. She's now seeing her daughter at the same time. I'm saying that. Right. So it's just like, it's miraculous. You can't make this stuff up. And so you, you receive this feedback. And it's hard to even put into words, because it's just so profound. And after every session, I'm just in an all like, wow, look what I got to witness. Not one's ever the same as like, what am I going to see today? What's going to transpire today, and then when the session is over, I sit in gratitude and I email them the mp4. Some people will listen to it over and over and over and they say, I'll hear words that he didn't hear the first time the second time. Healing, some people heal instantaneously. They'll heal before they even receive the recording. As the energies already you know, shifted. Some people it takes time. So healing can be a process too. So you never know. But I always say just stand in faith. It's all right there. I just did a Gaia show for a little boy that was healed of leukemia. Cancer. He had two weeks to live. He's on seven months right now. Wow. Yeah. So

tell me some more of your your healing. stories that you've had.

Okay, so Oh, there are so many How can I choose? So there's one woman that she wanted a healing for her mom. Her mom was had deep, deep grief. She was married for over 52 years and lost her husband, How do I how do I live in this new reality? I'm sad, how do I live without him how to walk forward. So we had this session, and the Father is comes through. And I remember I connected beforehand, so I'm getting all this stuff. And I'm getting all this stuff about pineapples and palm trees and Maui, and like, Okay. And so he now takes her on a spiritual journey and says, To the daughter, to who booked it, brought her into the session, and said, You need to take mom there. I've always wanted to take her, we were gonna go there, you need to make this happen. And so mom was healed mentally, emotionally. And then physically, the daughter didn't think she could physically go to Maui. About two months later, I got pictures from Maui that they went, and they saw heart clouds. They all there, the room numbers were 22. He said, look for the 20 twos. And it was just it, it ended up being like that, that reading that healing, kept giving. And to see that it was so profound that she actually made it happen is beautiful. Another one where my mother was in deep, deep sorrow, she lost her little girl. And I saw the child come and embrace the leg. And as you embrace the leg, I could feel the love between the two. The mother picks her up, looks at the child, the child takes this little necklace and holds it and I'm seeing a hole that says thank you for wearing this. And I described it as being a silver heart. And the mother emailed back and said that was meant so much to me, because I have her ashes in that silver heart necklace. And so I did 1.1 healing for a person and saying hi, China, she had terrible back pain, she had toothaches. And I can remember the back pain being pretty serious. And before she got the mp3, all symptoms were gone. All the way to China. But that, so that was really cool. Um, I had people that are addicted. One person says, Can I do a healing for someone that doesn't know? How do you feel about that? Well, to me, it's like saying a prayer, if your intentions are out of love than this is okay. So the mother was addicted to alcohol. And being abusive, she's not happy. Now the whole family it's like, ruining this not their mother anymore, right? So she did a healing for her. And her mother stopped drinking. And she's like, not only did we get our mother back, you healed her from so much pain that was deep within. And it was like God said, You're not going to have the tastes or the choir for alcohol when you taste. It's not gonna taste good anymore. That's what happened. It just switched. So we go to mental illness. I had one. This is a really good story. You'll like this one, Brian. Okay, so this is where you can't make stuff up because I'm even laughing at this one. So I'm taking this person on a spiritual journey. And I know she's right here and I see this umbrella. And I'm like, Okay, I feel like Mary Poppins right now. And I'm laughing because God can have a sense of humor. It's like, okay, so here we go up, up up, like Mary Poppins. And we go and she was struggling for mental illness. She had struggled for 20 years. She's had three suicide attempts. She's been in, in and out of mental hospitals for 10 years. And when she received the recording, she said that, before she even listened to it, it was like the light switch went on. She could only see dark, and now she was seeing the sun. Now she was seeing, like so many beautiful things around her that she didn't see before. She felt like this weight that she'd been carrying was just lifted and she was like a surreal like, what how I'm feeling I'm actually feeling emotions again. Well, then she listened to it. And I now get the email. Well, Deborah, you know, the Mary Poppins thing and like, she goes, Well, I was I used to live in the UK. In London, I think it was and I learned English by watching Mary Poppins. All my friends call me Mary Poppins. And my mother says, I packed my bags like Mary Poppins, who would have known. Yeah, so sometimes it's like, you just have to go with whatever you see, even the Mary Poppins, you have no idea. And it could be just like in mediumship, right? You don't know, it could be the craziest thing. But it ends up being the biggest thing. And I couldn't look that up on an internet.

Yeah, you know, that's something I almost laugh at some of these people, because I got one particular troll right now, because I just put out an interview with Stacy Lynn Crips, a few days ago. And he's like, Don't you know how to do this and look everything up on the internet. And I'm like, No one can look up the type of perfume My daughter has on her dresser in her room, or the books in her bookshelf or the color of her bedspread. And I've had mediums who can give me very details about my house that they've never been to

evidential, very evidential. And it's like, we don't have the time. Sorry, we don't have the time to sit and try to Google everything. Nor do we want to, because then that takes, that takes the credit away from us. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And sometimes it does seem so real, that it's like, well, how would they know? So they're trying to make? They're just trying to make a reason out of it? Yeah. And what is a miracle? What? Those are miracles that are coming to you the words, what is a miracle, something that's not explained?

Well, and it's very interesting, like I said, because they'll give you these very simplistic things like, well, of course, you knew that, you know, she had red balloons that are at her life, you know, service, because it was it was mentioned in the obituary, and there are some things that people can look up, of course, but I'm at a medium friend of mine, and she was telling me, your wife had a rainbow birthday cake recently. And I was like, I didn't even know myself. So she wasn't really my mind. And I asked my wife that, you know, when she got home, she said, Yeah, yesterday at work, somebody brought in a rainbow birthday cake. That's, again, it's not something that anybody can look up.

And that's what's beautiful is what you didn't even know. Right? Right. And so I always say to people, I'm not here to make you believe. This isn't my job. Right? So either you're going to accept the words that come through. And sometimes people are not ready for it. Have you noticed that they're just not ready for the information? It's too much, then they have to say, oh, no, you just looked it up. Because it's too much to embrace. I have

had people it was interesting. Someone I referred to a medium friend of mine, and they went to this person and they came back and they said, she must be fake. I said, why? And they said, because she got everything right. So she must have looked it up. And I'm like, you just it's a self defeating thing. Because as you said, they're not willing to accept the fact that it's that it's that it's real. And you're right, we can't make people believe. What I do want to do is for people that do see mediums, I don't want anyone else to take away their their hope, you know, because they'll be told, Oh, you're just being played because this person looked up everything on you. And so I like when you share stories of things that you can't look up. And I love the fact that you've been certified by not one, but two, very well known certification programs that I'm familiar with. I've read Julie's book software, I'm somewhat familiar, that is a set of Gary Schwartz I've worked with, and I know some of the other mediums that he's worked with. And I know these protocols, so it eliminates, you know, cold readings and eliminates hot readings, you're not reading the person's body language because you're not even seeing them. You don't you don't and even the researcher doesn't know who the target is.

Yeah, and it, there's just no way to debunk it. You can't. And I just find it all fascinating, and I hope that people just look at it like this. There are two worlds are blended. We're here. And it feels so much better to be in this space than without it. Right and to have that connection to know they're with you. And and I hope my family like when I pass that they they don't grieve, they celebrate Celebrate me who I was, and who I still am. Yeah, and just have that new connection. Of course we're all going to grieve. I mean, that's the price we pay for love, right? We're going to feel that pain. But if we can have this new, expand our awareness, expand our heart and accept it it. And I'm not saying you have to just believe it. You don't have to. But when it hits you to the core where it's like, oh my gosh, he was so right. It shifts you. You have to sit back and go, whoa. And that's a powerful moment.

Yeah. That was speaking of healing. So do you ever get like someone that's just like, it's not time for them be healed or something like that.

There has been times where it's like, I remember working on this gentleman for a while. And we had such great success. And then all of a sudden he passes and like, what the heck. And so it what I kind of had my hand slapped, because like, it's not up to you. So I have to go into every session, removing my humaneness and allowing God to orchestrate because I don't know what each person is going to get. One person came to me that that was dying, there is no way of turning the corner. So I was like, Well, how can we? What can I do? Don't turn her away. Okay, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna get? So with her, her father came through and said, Don't be afraid. He wore a suit, he showed up in a suit, like, I'm going to be there. I want to walk through you with you. You don't have to be afraid of those last moments. And you know, her husband contacted me and said, right before she passed, he looked at as if my dad's here. I'm now ready. It gave her peace and passing. So we never know what each person is. And it may not be the miracle that we think it is. It might be something else. Like I did one for Brenda, which is Suzanne casements. Friend who she connects with still. Yeah. And she's in my book. And she actually brought me to Brenda. And Brenda was supposed to pass when we both we both felt in her healing like, she's healed. Brenda's like, should I just stop my funeral arrangements? Should I just stop this? And I'm like, I think it's good to have everything in place anyway. And she was the one that was throwing up bile at that same time. Okay. And it was just so real to her. But she said to me, Deborah, you healed such childhood pain within me that it was so much greater than healing, my actual cancer, but I think it's all healed. And as I wow, that's a huge statement. Well, she ended up passing, but she had two weeks of feeling completely healthy. She got to be with her friends, she got to celebrate people got to see her as a healthy Brenda. And when she passed, she said that she was able to heal all the baggage before she passed. Who would have known that? So there's just so much more than what I humanly can understand what the healings because each one is different. But when we open ourselves up to everything in all, it's just miraculous. What can come through.

Yeah, thank you for sharing that I was hoping you were going to talk about I know Brenda, I met her a couple of times, a couple of Suzanne's events, could she and I used to follow Suzanne around and I would see her different things. You know, incredible, incredible woman, I know that she felt like she was healed spiritually. And, you know, I think we have to keep in mind healing of the physical body is great, but we're all going to pass at some point, at some point. And that's not that's not a defeat. That's not a loss. That's, that's the plan. So sometimes, sometimes physical healing is in the card for cards for us. And sometimes it's not.

I like that you say that? Because if I could heal everyone, wow. Right. So there's, there's really no guarantee that you'll be healed the way you want. But you will be healed in touch in the way that you're supposed to be. And, and just coming in with, you know, here's what I have. Let's get let that go. Let God take over and no expectations and see what all comes. It's just beautiful. You're opening yourself up to even more to receive more than what you expected. And I think that's it's right. We're all getting older, our bodies are going to go through things and sometimes we have to go through it. When I got cancer. Brian, I was like, what? I'm a healer, like, how am I going to tell other people that I have cancer? And do I tell other people do I just not tell people? Well, I started writing it. And I was told by Suzanne Wilson, you've got a lot of a lot of tools that you've learned on the way and so I decided I'd write it before I knew my ending right? And we used to call it my beast. Okay, Beast, you're inside me and I remember I would go and meditate and I would, you know, we think fight that cancer, you know, we're gonna fight it, we're gonna, we're gonna beat this. And that's okay. So people feel that that's why they have to walk through it. But I decided to embrace it. So I decided to send love to the cancer. And I started to started to love that area, sending love to it, like, you know, you've been a magnificent body. You've been wonderful for me. And what do you want to teach me? What are you here to teach me. And so I learned so much more compassion when dealing with people that have cancer that if I'd never had cancer, I would not be walking the walk with them. So I found the beauty and my beast in the end. Yeah. And some of our greatest hardships can be our greatest blessings. So I embraced it rather than fight it. And I feel sometimes when we fight things, have you ever felt like you're frustrated with your body, like, Ah, I wanted to jog today, and my knee hurts. Frustrated, because I wanted to do that. Well, frustration causes resistance. And resistance doesn't allow it to heal. But when you sit there and you put your hand on says, you know, you're a wonderful knee, you've done so much for me, I love you and you. It's like a child that sticks. You're embracing it with love. You're nurturing it, it heals, and you're opening yourself up instead of resisting What's there for you. And then you cause blockages when you have that resistance and frustration, not saying you can't have frustration, because frustration is an emotion that we all have to go through a walk through it. Once you recognize it, you can decide what you want to do with it.

Yeah, I love what you said about that. Getting curious about this. What are you? What are you here to teach me and I've heard people that have had cancer, which is one of the worst diagnosis most of us can imagine. Say it's the best thing that ever happened to me, which sounds strange to ask maybe who haven't had it. But they've they learned something about themselves and learned something about their body learn depreciation, it taught them to slow down and taught them what was important, and might have refocused their life they may have make make changes after that, that they they were wouldn't have made before. So there can't be a lesson and any of these things, including something that we may not have chosen as a human being.

Yeah, it made me stop my whole world stopped. Right? And at that moment, what mattered. Right? What was really what matters, those that you love, though, that's around you. Give love, receive love, and just be present and having to because you have no choice, you have to be present. How was I going to choose to? To what am I going to bring in my life that where I am just being and I chose to bring joy. And I think when you choose to bring joy and love into your life, it raises that vibration. I mean, think about it, if you're home and you're lonely, and you're not being talked to for weeks upon weeks, and then all of a sudden friends come over with little kids and they're jumping around and they're making you laugh. All of a sudden they leaving like wow, that was a good night. Because you raise the vibration filled with joy. So what can you do to bring joy? Is it just watching the birds and seeing like those that that brings me joy? Is it turning on music? Is it watching a funny movie? Is it saying oh my gosh, I can throw in a long load of laundry? Because two weeks ago, there's no way I could even walk to Wagner machine. Yeah, yeah. You know, there's this. It doesn't have to be hard. It can be simple.

Yeah. Tell me about your army for love global gatherings?

Yes. Okay. So army for love was given to me when I was going through cancer when I was under the radiation getting radiation. It was like build your army and build it up love. So when I was going to cancer, it's like, those that are around me or my army of support. So the number four means that we're always surrounded somebody's walking in front of us. somebody's walking behind us. So we don't fall, somebody's walking on both sides of us. Right? We're always have support. So my army for love, I do a, a monthly zoom on Tuesdays. And it's for anybody that's struggling, no matter what you're struggling with grief, emotionally, physically, spiritually, you come to this platform. It's with no judgment. We put love into action. We're there to listen, we're there to help. Some of us will have that experience that can help another. People gather from around the world. Some people just come to listen because they want to hear the message. But at the end of every session, group meeting, gathering, I do a mini healing and those healings those, they're just like, spirit talks through to me for the group and they're all closing their eyes. This one that happened was for a mother that was going through a lot of pain with their child being sick. And God took us all to the ledge to lead to the mountain he said how do you feel? How do you all feel? Are you scared? Would you jump? Are you nervous? Do you not like hi Do you like heights? How do you feel this moment each of you're gonna feel different? And I'm gonna ask you to step off that, that ledge. Can you do it? So we all step off the ledge, and we're just floating and he's like, See, I never let you fall. And he goes, but the biggest thing is you took the leap of faith. We're all done a mom's mom raises her hand, she says, I have to share something with you. And she's bawling. And she said, she says, Only God would have known this. But I only told my husband, I didn't tell anyone else. And I said to him, I said to God, if you take my son, I'm going to go to the top of the mountain, I'm going to jump. And she says, he told me, I already took my leap of faith, I don't have to jump. And so so healing. And so we never know what's going to come through, but they're just there. There's little pieces of love and nuggets and, and just welcome anybody to show up. You know, because it is just loving action and no judgments. We don't talk about politics ever. And it's just how are you feeling today? What is the message of the day?

So how can people join that

can go to my website at Golden miracles.com? And if they go to army for love, there'll be a link a zoom link for them to join us on the first Tuesday of every month at three o'clock. Arizona time. Okay.

Okay, nice. And if people want to reach out to you to get a reading or getting get a healing, are you taking people for that now?

Yes, there is a long wait. But if it's, you know, we try to fit people in if, if they have an emergency, and if we get an opening, we keep a list of that. But that's golden miracle. Stop, come to through the website. Okay.

So how long is your wait right now? It's

September. Okay, so it's not too far. It's not too far.

Yeah, it's like two months. That's not bad. That's, yeah. Well, it's been really great talking to you and learning more about know what you do and how you help people. And hopefully, this will bring some people, some hope and some peace. And I know, one of the things I wanted to talk to you about was, maybe a final question is, how do people find hope? How do they keep their faith when they're going through difficult times?

That's a really good question. Because I always say, Never lose hope. Now, when somebody's already lost hope, how did they gain that back? Right? Because they, they may have been through the deepest pain they've ever been through and like, God's not with me. I don't feel God. How do I open that up? First of all, I would say, you have to love yourself. Right? Give yourself love, hug yourself, look inside the mirror. Have you ever looked in the mirror and looked at your eyes and said, I love you? I love you. And I think once you start loving yourself, then all of a sudden that, that love can now embrace you. And it raises that hope, you'll start to see that hope again. Without that you're just so heavy, you can't get through the trenches. And so we have to start doing self love first. But hope is always there for you. It never is. It has never left you that's one thing I want you to know. Hope is never ever gone. It's just you can't see it, or feel it.

Thank you. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for that, for sharing that. And I want to remind people, your website is gold, the miracles gold miracles.com. So people can find Deborah there. And I know you've written six books. So tell me about your books also.

Yeah, proof of miracles is one of my books that will show people the different types of miracles. Yeah, and I've had people read them and say, Oh, my gosh, I could actually feel the vibration. And those words, I could actually feel connected. And it helps them walk through whatever process they might resonate with one chapter versus another. You don't have to read it from cover to cover. And then doctors faith and courage. That was my journey through cancer. And I wrote a lot about what cancer teach me, but how can you use the tools that I use? I wrote my prayers. I wrote the tools, and so that you could use them on your journey as well.

Awesome. Awesome. Deborah, I get thanks for being here. Enjoy the rest of your day.

It's been such a pleasure. Thank you so much. All right. Good day.