Oct. 26, 2023
Intuitive Channeling Unveiled: Stephanie Banks' Journey through Psychic Connection, Dementia and Death
Have you ever contemplated the profound connection between the spiritual and physical realms? This fascinating episode brings us Stephanie Banks, an intuitive channel, mentor, and guide who shares her extraordinary journey, beginning with her mother's mental illness and dementia. Stephanie talks about her development of intuitive skills and the techniques she used to maintain a soul-level connection with her mother.
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Chapters
00:00 - Exploring Intuitive Channeling for Healing
08:04 - Understanding Mental Illness, Dementia, Connection
19:39 - Understanding Dementia and Channeling
24:59 - Channeling, Science, and Data
32:17 - Channeling Animals, Death, and the Earth
42:49 - Exploring Trees, Channeling, and Fear
53:16 - Dementia and Channeling
58:19 - Connect With Loved Ones Afterlife
01:03:43 - The Power of Connection
Transcript
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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Grief to Growth.
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If you're joining us for the first time, let me let you know how I am.
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I'm Brian Smith.
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I'm your host On this podcast.
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We explore topics to help us grow through grief.
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We talk to experts, authors and individuals who offer different perspective on life, death and the afterlife, and we aim to provide a safe space for you to navigate to your own journey.
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Whether you're grappling with grief from a job loss, a divorce, an illness or the passing of a loved one, this is a place for you.
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Today we have a really extraordinary guest.
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Her name is Stephanie Banks.
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Stephanie is an intuitive channel.
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She's a mentor and she's a guide who bridges the gap between our physical world and the spiritual realm.
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She doesn't just channel messages from humans, but also connects with the energies of trees, animals and even our very own planet, gaia.
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She's the author of the best-selling book Joining Joni staying connected to your loved ones through dementia and beyond, and she's hard at work on her second book, chronicling Her Spiritual Journey.
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If you've ever questioned the power of intuitive gifts, you might have seen her in TED Talk.
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I am an intuitive channel, which I watched recently.
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In it, we were just laughing about how it's been flagged by the TEDx people because it's been materialist mindset.
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But it's a great talk and today we're going to dive deeper into the fascinating world of intuitive channeling and explore how it can be a vital tool for soul level connection and for healing.
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So, stephanie, welcome to the Grief for Growth podcast.
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Thanks, Brian.
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Thanks for having me.
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I'm excited to see where our conversation goes.
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Yeah, I'm really excited about having you.
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This is actually very personal for me.
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My wife's parents have gone through dementia.
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Their father passed from dementia I think it was 12 years ago.
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Now we're going through it currently with her mother, who's in the kind of the later stages of it, so I know what it can feel like to feel like you're losing someone.
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So start by telling us about Joni and your relationship with her.
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My mom and Joni.
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We had a great relationship, and also not without its own complexities.
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So, as you know, the parent-child relationship has many layers to it and growing up when I was younger, my mother struggled a lot with mental illness.
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So I have that to thank, actually for my ability to be really attuned to energy, because in order to live in a family when someone is struggling with mental state and mental illness, sometimes people develop very well-honed intuitive skills to be able to understand what they're walking into when they come home from school or when they wake up in the morning in order to prepare and predict and manage harmony.
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So I had that in the background with my mom.
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And then she developed a form of dementia that affects younger people.
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It's called frontotemporal dementia.
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It's not Alzheimer's, so it's not as well known, but she started developing symptoms of it when she was in her 50s and it wasn't for quite a few years that they even accurately diagnosed it.
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So for a long time we thought it was just more of her depression or anxiety that was surfacing, and so she wasn't getting any proper interventions to help it.
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At the time.
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There weren't great interventions anyways, but at least knowing what she had would have been very helpful, and even though I was trained as a speech language pathologist and I had a lot of clinical experience working with people with cognitive disorders, it was really hard for me to apply that with my mom, because it's a different relationship and there's emotional components to it, so I was finding that our interactions and our conversations were incredibly frustrating for both of us and we were really disconnected.
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I needed to find a way to stay connected to her that transcended verbal communication, since that was becoming less and less of an option for her, and that's when I learned to connect through the soul.
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Yeah, so you met somewhere.
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That was Jennifer, I believe.
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Right, that kind of led you to connect you through the soul, so tell me about that.
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Yeah, jennifer was is my best friend.
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She's on the other side now but she helps me very much with my channeling work and she's the first person that showed me that it was possible to transcend the three-dimensional connections and go to the soul and the heart of things.
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And I met her because we just had children in the same preschool class and we instantaneously fell in love with each other, in terms of friendship of course, and we had a lot in common.
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And she was a channel and I asked her, after seeing her channel for so many different friends and souls, I said could you please help me with my mom?
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I don't know what she needs from me.
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I don't know how to be a good daughter in this stage of her life and right now it's not only dissatisfying but it's deeply sad.
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And she channeled my mom for me and I got to understand that what her soul needed, why it was in this part of her journey, what she was gaining from it and how I could join her.
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Wow.
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So let's for people that might not know, because the word channel carries a lot of misunderstanding and sometimes some negative connotations.
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So what does channeling mean to you?
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To me, it simply means connecting to divine energy, and we are divine energy.
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So a lot of people think you have to go outside of yourself in order to make those types of connections in the spiritual or world or with your divinity.
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But no, it's within us.
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So what's required to channel clearly and well is to keep yourself, to take really good care of yourself.
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Basically, your self-care is absolutely foundational, and that's what allowed me to tap into what my mom's soul wanted to communicate to me, so that I could help pave her path of greater ease during the last years of her life.
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Yeah, and we hear about channeling and we hear about connecting with souls that are on the other side.
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We don't often hear about connecting with someone who's still in the physical.
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So when did you realize that was even possible?
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When I met Jennifer.
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She's the first person that showed me there are no limits here.
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You know, mediumship is what it's called when you connect to people, souls on the other side, and channeling is what it's called when you're connecting at the soul level, and it can be any soul anywhere.
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And so and that's now my jam, my zone of genius, I suppose, is connecting to the souls that are here on the planet.
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There's so much that we could be understanding.
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That would make all of our lives and relationships so much smoother, so much more deeply loving, if we peel away those layers of what we do in personality and go right to the spirit.
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Wow.
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I heard you say that you know because your mother's mental illness when you were younger.
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It seemed to help you develop this intuitive side.
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I heard that from a lot of people who are mediums they end up being professional mediums.
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It's like this part of us is almost forced to develop, I think when we're living with that, that uncertainty has that been your experience as well?
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Yeah, I think that for me I really needed harmony and when there's dissonance and disconnection and unpredictability that can come from mood disorders and any other type of mental illness, really a child will do what they need to do to take care of themselves.
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And I really needed to feel, of course, loved and to have harmony in the home.
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So I learned to predict by reading that this very subtle changes in energy from my mother's mental illness, in energy from my mom, because everybody kind of calibrated to her, everybody in the family calibrated to what was going on for her, and so if I could figure out how to do that or how to make her laugh, to bring her out of a funk, to help bring levity to situations, I learned to do that really well too.
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So it might have been steer clear or it might have been move in and bring some humor to.
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There's lots of options.
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But yeah, I definitely feel like it was born out of necessity to protect my own emotional state and space and I'm using it really well now as an adult.
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Yeah, so do you have to ask you when it comes to that?
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Do you believe that this is like your sole path, or was it something that was planned for you to go through these experiences?
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I definitely believe it's my sole path, because it's what I'm walking, but I don't know that I totally believe in this pre-destiny idea.
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I think that we have free will and we apply it in all areas of our lives, and that can really change the trajectory of everything, so we do have a lot of agency, I believe, over the direction our lives take and the people we're in relationship with.
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I also believe, though, that I chose my parents on some level, and the gifts that I've received from being their daughter and being in that family dynamic are assets to my soul.
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When it comes to dementia, I think, as I was telling you, I've been through it a couple of times with both my in-laws, and one of the questions I think a lot of families have is, like, what happened to my loved one?
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Are they still there?
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Are they still in there somewhere?
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What is going on?
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So what's your impression of what's going on?
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And maybe what's the relationship between the brain and the soul or the spirit or whatever we call that, that other part of ourselves?
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It's such a good question and we can't really say for sure.
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But what I believe is that, even though the clinical aspect of dementia shows that the pathways in the brain are disconnecting, breaking apart, there's not that ease of synapses and connections that we rely on.
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Even though that's going on, that person's spirit is still very much present and available, and their heart and their ability to love and feel love.
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And so we do tend to feel those of us who are on the outside of it observing, tend to feel that we're losing our loved ones because what we've come to understand of their personalities and their preferences and really all aspects of them up until that point has been in a certain way, and now it's very different.
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And personality changes are common and so we're trying to change is are common, and so to our anger and sometimes rage and mood, and seemingly it can look like the person is spacing out, like they're not there.
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But I do fully believe that they are there.
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They're just not engaged in the same way, but that doesn't mean they're disengaged.
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I found with my mom that even when she couldn't communicate clearly, we could still laugh about things and we could still have a deep connection.
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I could squeeze her hand and communicate so much in that touch that transcended the need to say I really love you, mom, and I'm here for you and I'm going to help you and support you.
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So it changes for sure, but it's not.
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I don't want anyone to think that their loved one isn't there, because what happens then is we start to disconnect as a self protective mechanism.
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It's so painful and it's unnecessary.
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Yeah, that's a really good point.
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I like to explore that a little bit more because there is that time and I was just thinking that, the heartbreaking time it comes to when they don't recognize us anymore.
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When they don't, they can't call our name, they don't know who we are.
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So I know you went through that with your mother, with Joanie.
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How did that feel to you?
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I'll never forget that moment.
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We were driving home from an appointment and she turned to me.
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I was driving, she turned to me in the car and she said why do people keep referring to you as my daughter?
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And I had been mentally preparing for that moment because everybody knows that's a component of dementia is the person not recognizing your role with them, your relationship to them?
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And I had this split second moment where I had just a few options.
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I could reorient her and tell her I am your daughter, and if I did that I would have risked our connection because she would have felt likely embarrassed, humiliated, confused, perhaps scared.
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I also had the option to start crying, which is essentially what I wanted to do, and that also would have been very confusing for her and I was driving.
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So not such a safe option.
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But what I opted to do.
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The third option I can think of at the moment was I took a breath and I said to her what does our relationship feel like to you?
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Because if I could get at who I feel, who I am in her, in her feelings, then I'm happy to take on whatever she says that relationship was.
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And thankfully she said to me well, you're my best friend.
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That's how you feel to me and I thought I just got a promotion.
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Yeah, that's amazing, right, I went from daughter, with all of its stickiness, to best friend, with all of its like wonderful aspects, and I went with it.
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And that's my whole point.
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When I teach people how to interact with their loved ones with dementia, wherever you can find to join them, do it's worth it.
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You don't you know what's the reality for you, but you don't always have to correct them or to or to re, you know, reconnect them to the factual things they're.
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One, just going to forget it again.
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And two, it can be very disconcerting to hear that when you're in a different space and my mom thought I was her best friend and I'm fine with that.
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Yeah, I think that's such a beautiful story and there's so much, so much in there for us, because a lot of times again, we're trying to always reorient them.
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No, this is the fact, this is the fact.
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And, as you said, that can be confusing and scary and actually fraction that relationship and just interject something personally.
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The same similar thing happened with my father-in-law and my wife.
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You know, she was there one time and he's like I don't know who you are, but you look like a friend, and I thought that was.
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And she took it as a really beautiful moment too because you know he knew the connection.
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He just didn't know the relationship.
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Yes, and that's a beautiful moment, yeah.
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So, when Jennifer started channeling your mother and telling you, what was your mother's soul saying to you, what were some of the messages that she was giving you?
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One of the things she was saying was I should really stop taking myself so seriously and stop trying to manage everything for her, which gave me a lot of breathing space because I had been heavily managing.
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I was very involved with recruiting caregivers for her, and that's a journey in and of itself.
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When you're interviewing people and you know some are a great fit and others you just think maybe find a different job because this is not your calling so.
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And also it's scary to think about leaving a loved one with another adult when your loved one can't clearly communicate.
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It's kind of like finding a babysitter when your children are very young and can't tell you when something's wrong or something's happened.
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So I really wanted to make sure that everything about my mom's experience was loving and safe and positive, and her messages to me were you know, let go a little bit here, thanks for what you're doing, keep you know, keep doing some of it.
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She let me know my dad did in fact, need my support, so what I was doing was very helpful, but that she was okay in her journey.
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She.
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She on some level was fully engaged in the in between, I call it Not totally here in this 3D reality as we know it, and not totally gone, because she's still embodied, but like traveling, I would describe it being in other states, other realms, other presence, and that that was something she was benefiting from and even enjoying, which was another signal to me not to keep reeling her back in.
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So when she would space out or look, you know, like she was completely in on another planet, instead of bringing her back after hearing from her soul, like to let her travel, I would just join her in silence and sometimes I would ask hey, what's, what are you seeing right now?
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Or what are you, what's on your heart right now?
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Or what what's on your mind, and sometimes she could share it and sometimes she couldn't, and that's.
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I got a lot of messages about letting up a bit and letting her be fully engaged in her journey, while sharing love, but not tasking myself so heavily with all the details I had been.
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Yeah, I think that's really also important because we tend to think of them as just like that again they're going away.
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We need to keep bringing them back, but and this is why I've learned from people from mediums that have sat with people who are terminally ill their souls are starting to come and go and I truly believe that when people are getting to these latter stages of dementia, it's not that they're nowhere, they're somewhere else, they just happen to be somewhere else, their minds on something else, they're, they're preparing for that, for that trip, and they're going back and forth and, as you said, they may be even be enjoying it, even though from our perspective, you know, it's like they're just sitting there.
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That's right.
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What if they're enjoying it and we are disrupting them?
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It's kind of like watching a good movie and someone's like hey, hey, you okay, do you are you all right?
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What?
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What do you need?
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You know what day it is?
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We're so guilty of doing that.
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As a clinician, that's how I learned like keep reorienting and reorienting and drilling certain things.
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It's not useful when you want to stay connected to somebody.
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Yeah, I've talked to some clinicians that you know actually similar same profession is, you know, speech therapists and stuff, and they're trying to be helpful, like, like you said, reorient them, bring them back, and I'm kind of like, no, maybe it's time to start letting them do what they, what they want to do, because there's their soul knows.
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Yes, yes, well said.
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So I heard you in your in your TED talk and I love the way you described it.
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It's a lot of easier said than done.
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It was kind of like you talked about Jill Bolt Taylor's thing about the left brain and the right brain and I guess, for you at least, it's kind of like let go of the left brain, the thinking brain and all that, and get more to the right brain.
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How did that process work for you in terms of learning how to do that more?
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Wow, channeling is all right brain.
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So you know we use.
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The right side of our brain is the creative, receptive, intuitive side.
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I cannot channel if I'm in my left logical, linear side.
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So the more I practiced channeling and there are strategies and techniques that you use to practice this, developing this skill the more I enhance the capacity of my right hemisphere.
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And it's like anything else if you have an area of weakness or less development in the body, then you exercise that and it's the same with the brain.
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This is why we can learn new tasks.
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We know we have this plasticity in the brain that lets us learn new things, create new pathways all all the time.
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Even older adults still have this, maybe less than younger years, but still it's still present.
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So I just kept showing up to the practice of channeling.
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There's, there are tools that I use when I was learning to channel.
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A pendulum was one example.
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Meditation is a great way to be in the receptive right brain, and so is chanting and mantras.
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Think, if you give the left side of your brain something to do and it loves to repeat things, as you probably noticed that you have the same thoughts today that you had yesterday, every other day.
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So if you give it a mantra or a word or you're chanting something and the left can repeat it, it leaves the right more open to receive.
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So that's a little trick and tool that I have used as a professional channel to bring in messages and clarity and connection with regards to that.
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But we have, we have a society that really places an enormous value on the left hemisphere.
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Right, we like fact, figures, data, cognition, thinking, you know, sorted, figuring things out and then the right hemisphere, which is really what I believe is going to save humanity and our planet, goes underutilized and underdeveloped.
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But we can change that instantly.
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Yeah, thank you for explaining that and, as you mentioned, as you were talking about our obsession with the left side of the brain, as I was looking up your TEDx talk, I saw the little disclaimer and it's like well, we haven't proven any of this stuff is real, so we don't take responsibility for it, even though I talk to people every day who do this and prove that it's real.
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But again, we think well, it's not possible, therefore it can't be real because it's.
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You know, we think the mind is the brain and the brain is the mind and you're proving, you've proved, you've shown that that's not true.
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You know, what's great is that I understand why TED flagged my talk, because anything that deals with supernatural or paranormal they are going to shy away from.
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At least back when they flagged it, they are.
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I think they pretty much do the same now.
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But there is research on channeling, there is science, there's data.
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There's an entire Institute that is dedicated to this.
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It's called the Institute of Noetic Sciences and their researchers are exclusively studying channeling and the potential, the human potential.
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So actually my classes, my class participants, get to be part of a long term study being done at the Institute of Noetic Sciences that will prove, finally, that channeling is a thing that we're all.
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It's our birthright, we are all able to connect in this way.
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But the data is there, it's just we do need more research and it takes us so long to get up to speed because humans are slow in that way to change our beliefs, our minds.
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You know there's sometimes religious beliefs that prevent us from connecting in this way or feeling safe connecting in this way.
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There's a lot of reasons why people would have fear around it but, it's beautiful, it's love, it's divinity 100% agree with you.
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My background is engineering, so I'm about science and data and all that kind of stuff too, and when I talk to people who are skeptics.
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I was just on a message board the other day and someone said there's no such thing as near death experiences.
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You die and then you die.
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And I'm like okay, julie Bysel's work, gary Schwartz's work, ken Ring's work, bruce Grayson's work, you know on and on and on.
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You know there's all kinds of evidence out there, the Institute for Noetic Sciences, there's.
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There's a lot of information, a lot of data out there.
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For people that want data and it's it can be really frustrating.
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You said humans just recently.
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In the last couple of years we developed this mindset that says everything is material.
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It's a fairly recent thing that we fell into and now we're just closed to anything else.
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But I see it's starting to open up and I'm glad that talks like yours are up and available.
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And while we're on the subject, just remind people the name of your talks.
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I want to encourage them to go look it up.
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The TED Talk.
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Yeah, the TED Talk.
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It's called.
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I Am an Intuitive Channel and that if I can share the quick little story of doing that.
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Ted Talk.
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Oh yeah, please.
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I.
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I decided to do one because I wanted to be a a presenter at something else.
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And the person who interviewed me said well, most of our presenters have a TED TEDx talk.
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So I thought, okay, I guess that's the next thing I'm going to do.
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So I found a local TEDx and I was working with the curator and I was trying desperately to not talk about channeling.
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I did not feel comfortable or safe.
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That was years ago and in my journey at the time, while I was doing it professionally, I wasn't as confident as I sit today and being able nor as well studied about it.
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So now I have the, the data and the science that I can refer people to if they're truly interested.
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But the curator would.
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She would say to me okay, give me a sample, you know, write me a script of what you would want to talk about.
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And I, I covered every area except channeling.
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And she finally said to me what is it that you do professionally?
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And I told her well, this is what I do, but it's very hard to explain.
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I can probably just show you in a session.
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So she had a session with me and at the end of the session she said you must speak of this in your TED talk.
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This belongs.
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The fact that you were able to connect with this loved one of mine, that loved one of mine, the messages, the way they resonated, these are the things I could hear them saying you have to do to talk about this.
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So I did and it was scary and and it's because I knew you know, a TED talk is out there forever it's not like I can say I changed my mind.
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Can we pull that video?
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So it's really been a transformational process for me to have that out and so many people resonate with the message and it has given courage to others, just because I was willing to step into that for myself.
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Yeah, exactly, and it takes those first few people to step out there and to take that risk.
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So I appreciate you doing that and you know and putting yourself out there.
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And again, we know we have to educate people that there is data out there, that there is science for people that want that.
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