The Power of Faith: Overcoming Cancer and Embracing Mediumship

Hey everybody, this is Brian. Welcome to another episode of Grief to Growth. If you're new to the show, let me tell you a little bit about why we're here. This is a place where we dig deep into the issues that life throws at us, especially when it comes to grieving and healing. Whether you face the loss of a loved one, whether you've battled illness or you've navigated life's unpredictable twists and turns, we aim to be a safe space for you. I'm dedicated to helping you understand that your relationship with your departed loved ones can continue.

The death is not goodbye, and let me assure you it's not just about religious dogma. It's about opening up to a worldview that's grounded in reason and in evidence. It's about soulful conversations that touch on the nature of life, death and everything in between. So, speaking of soulful conversations, today's guest is someone who's standing in the abyss of mortality and emerged with some transformative insights. Her name is Kim Savetta, and she's not just a survivor, but she's a beacon of light showing us the way through life's darkest moments. Kim survived an operable cancer, and that brush with death didn't just challenge her physically, but elevated her psychic medium abilities and expanded her understanding of existence itself. She had a shift in consciousness during a self healing regime and she was spiritually transported to heaven, reaffirming the message that the realm beyond is as real as the one we're living in right now.

So let's just say that Kim wears many hats she's an author, she's a speaker, she's a singer, she's a clairvoyant, an evidential medium. She's a Christian clairvoyant with the gifts of spiritual discernment. She's also a certified angel intuitive. She's an ordained minister and a wedding officiant. On top of all that, she's been the CEO of her own entertainment company, energy music and productions for 25 years, and she's been a wife of 30 years, and she's a mom of two. When it comes to her clients, kim offers a holistic approach. She offers aimed sessions that focus on grief, grief healing and spiritual guidance. This is done through evidential mediumship, through guided meditation and prayer, and she doesn't stop there. She also specializes in rescue, trauma retrievals, life coaching and sound healing customized to her client specific needs. So, as you can see, we're in for a really enlightening and interesting conversation today with Kim.

Yes, thank you, Brian, for having me on the show. I love it.

I'm really glad to have you here. We were just talking before we started recording. It's been a while. We've known each other through Facebook for a while now and through various reasons we haven't been able to work out the interview. But it's time, so we're doing it now. We're doing it now I want to make sure I pronounced your last name correctly. Is it Savannah?

You did, you did.

I should have asked you before we started recording.

It's Italian, so you did well.

Yeah. So I want to ask you you had this experience where you said you were transported to heaven. Now, would you call this an NDE? Was it an OBE? What was that experience like and what was the circumstances around that?

As I have been researching on what happened to me.

My term is an open vision which you know, if I could go into that inoperable cancer, I was told I was sent home with no options. There were no answers for me, at least with that doctor. And I came home and just I was at the bottom. So I was in a place of surrender. I was doing, you know, wheatgrass and fasting and I was very clean. I was really into the green world and just trying to heal cancer that way. And I was put on a medicine that was supposed to shrink it and then I would be able to have surgery. I went to the surgeon and it was not small enough. It was involved in tumors and all kinds, you know, like arteries and all that. So I couldn't do that, that surgery. It wasn't an option and that medicine was one that if you didn't get it out you were going to die from the medicine. So I was there and I have two young children.

So I came up to my you know walk-in closet just to cry, because I didn't want to hear them. I didn't want them to hear me crying, and I laid down and I was just sobbing and praying and asking God for help. And that's when, you know, the walk-in closet disappeared. So all of the molecules of the closet disappeared and I awoke. So I awoke, I was transported in a shift of consciousness to heaven and there was this I was laying, still in the same position, laying down on this. What I want to say is this intelligent mist, you know, some would say, well, was it a cloud? It wasn't a cloud, it was intelligent, it was an extension of Jesus. And so what is odd about this is that I was not brought up on any religion. My parents, in the 70s, they followed Guru Maharaj, you know, like they wouldn't. They were so burnt out on the dogma of religion that I never had any kind of foundation for that. So to have these open visions with Jesus was almost like miraculous, because I had nothing it's not like I, you know, evangelist Christian brought up and that I could pull on things like that from my imagination. This was something I had never. I didn't, just didn't know about.

And so when I was there, it was like every molecule that was not a molecule, the air that was not air there's no way to describe it was an extension of his love, this unconditional love that I mean just I can't describe. You know, like I used to make fun of bumper stickers on a card that would say Jesus loves you, you know? And I'd be like, well, that's so merchandise. To end like, what does that mean? And I knew, I knew immediately when I was there that this was his kingdom. And I don't mean like earthly kingdom, power and riches, I just mean, there's no other, there's no other word for it. It was his, just everything there I saw, on the horizon. I was, I was like situated on the southwest corner of this, this white, intelligent mist. There were invisible lines there that I could not see with my heavenly eyes or physical eyes. But I knew, because I heard his voice inside of my heart and inside of my consciousness say do not cross, do not cross, don't get up and walk around, don't cross these lines, you're to stay there, kind of thing.

And when I was there, I immediately began to just sob tears of joy because there was this sound Okay so, not an earthly sound, but it was a just like I felt the presence of trillions of angels. And this sound that was not. You know, I've been asked was it Ohm? But it wasn't Ohm. And I know about all that. I was brought up on quantum physics. I look, you know, I looked into Buddhism, hinduism, you know, judaism, all of it. And this was not that, it was the sound, that was not actual physical voices, but you could say it was like a constant sound of praise of the Creator and there's just no other way. I those those words, that verbiage might sound to Christian for some, but it's the only way that I can describe what happened. And this sound was just a sound of eternity and there was his love embedded in it, his consciousness embedded in it, and it was like this unconditional love.

You know I had asked, I had prayed. You know I said Okay, god, if you're going to take me, I'm, you know there's. I've done it all, I've gone to every doctor, I've done the green thing, I've done what I can do. And so if this is my exit point, then I surrender. And I was in such a state of surrender facing my mortality, that I think that I was just lifted into that place. But I was alive. So some people, you know, they put me on their talk shows because they say it's a near death experience. But I was not dead, but I was in the presence of God and in that heavenly realm I was not right next to him, I was only allowed on the outskirts is what I feel. You know, like those lines separated me from crossing into that realm, because I was not dead, and the feeling, you know, I had prayed prior to that just saying I surrender but if I can ask, as a mother, to live for my children and I'm sorry every time I cry because I was just there, was nowhere else to go, and so he showed me that I wasn't, it wasn't my time.

You know that I wasn't supposed to cross, but there was this download, this instantaneous download, of this unconditional love that I cannot describe. It's everything we are searching for, everything. We look for it here, we look for it in our parents, we look for it in our children, we look for it in our spouse, we look for it in friends, and we are disappointed and we come up empty because it we remember, I think, on some level, that we come from this field of unconditional love that extends from him. And I, you know I've been asked. Well, you know there's other, there's other, like you know, advanced souls that wear white robes. You know there's no doubt, there's no doubt that this was not. You know that this could have been somebody else.

I knew it in every fiber of my being. I knew it in every molecule, down to my DNA. It was just known, and that love was such that I never wanted to be anywhere else, ever. And I want to express this message to people that have lost their children that when you're in this realm, you know there's a love there that you never want to be anywhere else. You just don't. And it's hard for us to understand because it doesn't translate in earthly words, it can't. There's just. You know I've written it in my book as best as I can, these chapters on these open visions that I've had.

And prior to this interview, this session, I prayed and I meditated and I just gave it up to God. I was like you know, help me not to use my own words, but to use your words for comfort and for your knowledge. And so for me, that's the Holy Spirit that I connect with. I've always had psychic medium capabilities, but I've never seen a guide. I've never seen. I've only seen Jesus, archangel Michael, and I have never seen the Holy Mother, mother Mary. I've only heard her voice. So that is basically.

I'm not sure why it's all almost biblical when I was brought up the opposite, unless it's just that we're supposed to explore things that we have not been taught, you know. So it's almost like this opposite thing. But when I was praying and meditating, I saw two angels that I've never seen before and I was told that they are the seraphim. Okay, I had to Google it before we jumped on because I didn't know what that was. A lot of this stuff. I just don't know what it is until I research it. And the seraphim? What's interesting is, I was told, as you're describing the sound that I heard in heaven, which I didn't before this day, I have not really been able to adequately describe it and these two seraphim angels, they're very tall, they appeared and they are the ones, as I Googled it, that uphold that sound. They constantly emit that praising emanation, that sound, because they are very close to the creator, and I was.

I then saw you sitting with your shoulders, like by your podcast or your interviews, and I was told to tell you that they stand behind you and they, they are part of your work for the loss of children and they oversee your words. You're very incredibly powerful when you write. You know, when you write, they're there and they're behind you, behind your shoulders. I saw it like. I saw them and they want you to know that they're with you and they emit this sound and this level of comfort to the parents that how do you survive a child, how do you turn that into growth, how do you go on? And I think it takes this kind of spiritual support, this kind of heavenly support, and they are assigned to you is what I was told and this has never happened.

You can look at all of my interviews. This has never happened before where I've seen the seraphim. I've just never been privileged to see something like that. So if you don't know about them, maybe you, like I, did look into that and just acknowledge their presence and pay attention to frequencies and vibrations of music. You can possibly listen to music that is aligned with that frequency and that vibration. When you write, when you do these interviews, when you do podcasts or whatever, like you could take a short time where you meditate and do that. But I didn't mean to make this about that, but it was so powerful that I was like oh, my gosh.

Well, I feel very honored, first of all, and thank you for sharing that and really good timing. Better than you know, so I appreciate that very much. In terms of your experience. We talked about the kind of Christian aspect, that which is really interesting, because a lot of times people who don't believe in Jesus necessarily will see Jesus and people will see figures that they don't expect to see. But I have a Christian background and I was just talking with someone just before we got on and I moderated a group near-death experiences, life after life experiences, and a lot of Christians that come in the group give Christianity a really bad name.

And so.

I think we do tend to shy away from that. Some of us that are in the spiritual aspect of things, and Christians, will shut down certain things. So, like you being a medium, I know that people will tell you, kim, you can't be a medium and be a Christian Right.

This is poignant because I was going to after I saw I had these open visions. I would want some kind of belonging. I feel like I should be able to go to an evangelistic church, right, and I went to one and I became a member and there was this point where I heard the voice of God say there is somebody that you can talk to at this church about this. And there was, but words started spreading. I got to the pastor. The pastor said can't touch that, can't touch you, can't touch that. And I was. It was a blow. It was a blow to my heart.

I grew up with parents that are very burnt out, my husband very burnt out on Catholicism. You know that's the way, and I don't mean to bring up any religions. I support them all if that's the way that you receive God. But there's a lot of people that have been hurt, really hurt, and so for a while there I kind of like, for like weeks I was just like okay, I don't belong anywhere, I don't know what I'm doing.

And then you know it's like, really, what is happening to me is that I know that I have this biblical gift of being a seer and I have access to the prophetic. So now what's happening is I'm actually getting prophetic global messages. So that's my next step to go. But it's like, who is my audience? You know, the evangelistic Christians are like, hey, you know, you've got to use this particular verbiage. And then new age groups have been so turned off by Jesus that I'm almost afraid to bring up Jesus. But what I want to say to you is I heard this once in unity church, which is kind of like a vast. You know, they just covered all. It's not really like non-denominational yeah non-denominational.

And.

I remember the reverend or the speaker, the minister said okay, today we're gonna talk about Jesus and don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. And so it's important for me to tell you that. Take it from me. I was not a Christian and I saw a love and that Jesus does love you and you don't have to walk that rigid path and you know you don't have to follow that in order to seek him and to receive his forgiveness, his love. You know there's so much there that we need to. Not, this is the time to not walk away from that. Don't let the world and people and humans and people that are in a place of you know that church I was going to that said we can't take you. They're huge, okay, they're nationwide and they there's politics involved, there's money involved, and so that can be a big part of it. And take it from me if you go inside and you meditate and you, you know, just ask in the state of a child, in the state of surrender, just ask for help, ask for direction and don't just and this is one thing I have found is that affirming and praying in full faith that it's already happened. So, like I think of the, I am okay. I don't know why. No one I know is like okay, when Moses went to the top of the mountain and he's on Mount Sinai and he sees this, or I think it was Mount Sinai, but anyways, there was this burning bush that could not be consumed, and he said what shall I tell my people what your name is? And the response was I am that I am. So I perceive that okay. Wow, god didn't answer with a name, he answered with a present state of being and he answered in a way that said I am that I am. So I am that that I think of, I am that that I talk about, I am that that I immerse myself in, so where, if we're immersing ourself in the world, that's what you're gonna get. And so that whole verse about praying in full faith is almost like I am waking up and able to take a baby step and get dressed and take a shower. As I'm going through grief, I am able to find the right sources to heal. I am doing in baby steps. Don't make these vast things that your mind can't believe, but when you pray in full faith, the universe, the creator, God, they are going to manifest that field, that matrix that is of God to me, is going to manifest what you are affirming. So if you're affirming like I hope one day, I okay. So that's what's going to manifest. You're constantly hoping for that one day, rather than I am already, you know, attaining that state of being and attach an emotion to it.

What would you feel like if you had that attained, that goal or that present state of being or that emotional state? What would you feel like? Would you feel peace, would you feel comfort? Would you feel ecstatic and write it down I am ecstatic about this and that's what I think the name of God is. I don't know why. You know I am. You know, and in the Bible, jesus I am. There's a lot of I ams in there and so there's a lot of power in that statement and it's taken me. You know, I somehow, before the book secret came out, when I was very young, when I was 15, I knew about that. I don't know how I knew about it, but I did. And so I would like make you know dream books and like cut out pictures of our house and we live in that house. It was already built. It was many years later.

But, I don't know if that's you know. I don't want to say like, yes, you're going to manifest everything because it is divine timing, in that A lot of people get disappointed and then they lose their faith because it's not happening in the timing that it needs to happen. And sometimes there's some growth that needs to happen from pain, and I know that one. I went through eight years.

I interrupt you for just a second because I want to set the timeline. When did this happen? Your spiritual event, your transportation to heaven? How long ago was this?

I had one open vision with Jesus in my early 20s and then I had this in the very later part of my eight-year experience, with cancer reoccurring. And all that, and that would be four years ago.

Oh, okay. But, you did have an open vision, you said with Jesus in your early 20s before this one I did.

I was totally flippant about Christianity. I just didn't. I fought it and I don't even know that I can say, you know, I've been on some touch shows and they're like, well, you're religious. But just because I'm talking about Jesus does not mean and some verses in the Bible that end up, you know translating, I mean it's funny.

I have a page called 333, repeated Numbers the Language of the Angels, right, and when I look up so like I was inundated with 333, 333, 333, 333. And as I looked into it, you know the angel number meeting, the numerology, meeting Jamatria, which is the mysterious number that's assigned to our language, our first language, where the creator handed this mysterious number that is assigned to every letter. Okay, and there's like this, some kind of like skip code in the Bible. You know that it's really fascinating If you look into all of it. But when I look at all those meanings and then sometimes I'll just look up a Bible verse like 333. Okay, jeremiah, 333, you know, call to me and I will tell you things that are unsearchable, unknowable. And I was inundated with that and that's when I started having visions with Jesus. So it's just, I can't tell you why it. You know, god comes to me like that. I wasn't looking for it, I didn't take classes, you know, it just came upon me.

I, you know. Going back to what you were saying earlier, why this and why? You know why me? Because your background. I think the God's calling all people to use Christian terms. I know that God, you know, wills for everyone to be saved, again to use Christian terms. So you know it's funny because Christians will say that. But then there's always a but, but you have to Right.

Right, but this. But God has to be judgmental, because that's the way, that's God's nature. But this and I think what's happening is as a spirit to be is being poured out, you know again.

Yes, that's it, joel 222. Going back to that, going out.

It's being part of all people and God wants to save even Christians. Because Christianity has become so convoluted, I don't identify as a Christian anymore because of all the bucks, you know. I would say to people I'm a Christian but I don't believe that Jesus died for our sins. I'm a Christian but I don't believe in eternal hell. I'm a Christian but I don't believe in original sin. And so finally I was like, okay, I'm just going to stop saying that I'm a Christian, but there's still so much good in the Bible.

And I was listening to something earlier today and this guy's premises that Jesus during those, those lost years from 12 to 30, those years that he traveled to India and then he was making the case of all the teachings that Jesus started teaching how they relate to Buddhism and the Hinduism. So I think that you know, as we're going through these latter days, if you want to call it that, that we're starting to see the similarities and someone like yourself is maybe being called to help some of those Christians come out of what they've fallen into Right Christians and even those that are atheists some people have I was.

I was really amazed at because I thought, okay, this is, this is a vast audience. On one show I was on and he has a lot of followers, right, but yet there were just an onslaught of people that have had experiences with Jesus but, you know, burnt out on the church aspect. So right now it's like more God, less church, in a way, you know, and and that spirit, that Holy Spirit, is coming on to everyone, everyone, and so it's just important to not I mean, I was like hiding because I didn't know if it was okay to talk about this, and it took inoperable cancer for me to write the book and to come on these shows and to to, you know, get that confidence.

Right.

And people are going to want to put you into a box.

They're going to want to say, well, tim, you didn't have an, you didn't have an NDE. This is not a real NDE. Real NDE means you're, you're hard at the stop order, but I look at NDE, it's just a. It's a way of being transported to that place when we, when our brain shut down or heart shut down, that's a way that you were opened up without going through that, but it was a still spiritually transformative experience and and you're and I know I don't have to tell you this, but you're going to get it from both sides the other people, the spiritual people, are going to say you're too Christian, kim. And the Christian people are going to say, well, kim, you can't talk about. You know, you can't talk about being a medium, even though that's all biblical. Being a medium is biblical.

It is Proposy is certainly biblical.

Right, it's right there. I've been just studying on that and that's why I have the confidence to have a conversation with somebody that might say something to me about that and really it's starting to go into that seer prophetic realm. You know where it's, it's it is also, you know, one on one. There's the prophetic information that I receive with four loved ones that have passed on, and even just like meditating with that person, you know, scanning their, their body and receiving information on other areas of life, right, so we would call that psychic mediumship. But there's also this like I had a dream about COVID five years before it happened, okay, and I didn't know what to do with that, because I didn't I didn't actually know what it I was like. What is this? Well, you know, no one knew what it was until it happened.

Right, right.

And just recently I received a vision on AI and the false Messiah. So I'm starting to step into possibly I haven't done it yet because I'm just not sure about you know what is the timing. It has been confirmed that it's. This is some message that I am supposed to talk about, but I'm not sure about the timing yet, so I'm kind of waiting on that. Okay, but it's like, so it's, it's. I don't know if you want to say it's like expanding or there are different places for me to go into, you know.

so yeah, yeah, well, that's it's. I know other people who are, who are psychics, who said that they, you know, they saw something coming when it comes to COVID. So again, the Bible talks about this all the time that people, you know, get prophetic things. So I certainly believe that that's. I know it's not believe, I know that it's absolutely possible.

Yes, yes, it is.

So you've had, and so you've had. You talked with these couple of open vision with Jesus. But you've had other visions as well, other kind of arachnid things that have happened in your life.

Yes, yes, so like, as I mentioned, I'm I'm not Catholic, but I don't know why I, you know, associate the Holy Mother with Catholicism. But I do because that that's like a key person in those beliefs. But earlier, in the early part of my cancer journey and healing and I do want to say that after, let me just finish the closure on that open vision that I had with Jesus when I came out of that, you know that experience of the sound of heaven and the unconditional love I was. You know, once I knew that and I was taken out of my body and put or taken out of heaven and, kind of like, inserted back into my body.

I felt so much pain, gravity aching, just a feeling that I I actually didn't, I wanted to go back. So it was the opposite of my prayer asking me to stay. So that answer was you're going back, you're going back and you're going to share and you are going to live. And what was odd was the very next day not odd, but just his. It's him to me, my personal experience, my personal perspective is that it was Jesus. There was somebody that called and said hey, there's this doctor of melanoma. That is absolutely like he's. The guy went to him and I'm alive.

He had an option. It was risky, I'd sign off, but it worked, and so I feel like that. That whole thing was almost like you know, just being with him, being told yes, don't cross, it's not your time, and you're staying. And here's this you know information after eight years of this guy and you know, like, where's that coming from and, right after that, that vision. So I just wanted to close on that.

Yeah, yeah, I'm glad I did, you know it's fascinating to me because, you know, sometimes we get healing in that kind of way because I was going to say, obviously you're here, so you know the cancer, you're able to survive that. And I think about, like Anita Marjani, for example, one of the reasons we believe her in the E of the lot of reasons, but is because she had this incurable cancer and then it just, you know it, went away just miraculously. The doctors can't explain, so in that case it was, you know, working through the physicians, that yours was able to be taken care of.

And I think the part of that was that I finally I had a real problem with Western medicine and this guy was actually had was kind, was you know all this. So I had to learn forgiveness of the others that you know I had experienced. So it's almost like it's a lot bigger than we think we.

It's not just like you found the right doctor, it's like okay, you're learning that it's not just absolutely green and healing on your own, it's. It's a hybrid. For me, it was a hybrid path, so that was something I needed to learn. But yeah, so, going back, my son was three years old and I was we were co sleeping at the time and and he was in the bed and I fell asleep crying because I it was the second bout of cancer and I was like I'm not going to be able to have another child, like I thought, you know God, am I going to be able to have another child? And I fell asleep crying about that.

And in the morning, it was dawn, I think, and I heard this female voice, kim, and I woke up and there was nobody in the room. And yet there was this pink light, even though the the shades were drawn and they were down, and I was like, okay, and I heard my name again, but it was also accompanied by this. She said very kindly and matter of factly in a way, like you're already doing it, go out into the garden and dig. And I had excuses, right, I was like you know, no, I'm not going out there, it's cold and it's you know, my mind came in. You know my son what if he wakes up? He won't know where I'm at, like all this. And so I heard it again, but it was now accompanied by a clairvoyant heavenly map. So I'm very clairvoyant in psychic mediumship. It's not like I don't just get a gut feeling or I see pictures Like that's what gets placed in front of me. And so I see this map of our rose garden with an arrow pointing to a particular rose. Bush says dig here. Okay, so I'm like, okay.

So I, I made my excuses and it kept coming, but it came in a way as though you're already doing it. You're already doing it. So in heaven is there's not this like when you ask a question? There's not this time that elapses, it's immediate, and it comes in a vision where it's instantaneously downloaded. At least for me, that's the way it works.

So I put on my eyes, I put on my robe, I go downstairs, I go outside, out out the doors, and go to the rose garden and I I felt this like difference in air pressure, as though it was very, very difficult to describe, almost like this euphoric state, and I was aware that I was walking around, but it was like a denser air or there was something in the air that I was not don't normally feel, and so I sat down first on the bench and I didn't just go immediately start digging. I sat down on the bench and these hummingbirds came four of them, now that's a little bit odd right and just holding and instead of, just, like you know, coming up and checking you out like your flower, they just stayed for probably 10 seconds, which that's a long time in hummingbird life.

Yeah.

And it was like there was like some kind of greeting, like tidings, and after that happened and they flew away, I got, I didn't hear the voice again. I just got the heavenly map again downloaded dig here. So I got up, I go to, you know, move. The cause it's winter, so I'm moving, like leaves out and the soil is kind of wet, and so I'm going down and about four inches down, where I was told to dig, is a figurine. Okay. So I dig it out and it's a figurine of the holy mother. Okay, it can fit in my palm. But as I'm taking away the dirt I see that she has no hands. There's no hands on this figurine, okay.

So I kept that quiet because at that time I didn't really know that I was clairvoyant, you know, like I did. But I wasn't comfortable talking to people about it. I thought that they would think that I was crazy or I just didn't know where to go with this thing. So I held on to it for a very long time, until the second bout of cancer, right. And I went to a Catholic church, I went to a mass. I felt very uncomfortable because I didn't know what I was doing. You know, I didn't know how to follow all the steps and everything. And I didn't feel like a welcoming from that particular priest at all. And so I felt more of a welcoming when I was alone in the garden, you know, just crying about having cancer and it was Mother's Day and you know all of that.

And so I went into the gift shop to buy some art. And this woman comes up to me and she's like there's just something about you or something you know something. And I'm like I think maybe can you just wait here. So I went and I got the figurine and I said I've held this for a long time and I don't know what it means. And there were the artists that had created those, those art pieces that I was buying. She walked up to me and she's like do you know what it means? Well, at first they called the priest.

The priest came over and he was blessing, blessing the statue, blessing me, you know, just like let's get this to be holy kind of thing. And she came up to me and she goes do you know what it means when you find something with no hands? And I was like, no, I don't know what that means. And she said you're being called to be the hands of the mother in the world, and that overwhelmed me because I felt like, well, I'm not even, you know, like Catholic and I don't know. You know what I'm supposed to do with this.

And yet I think what it is is that, you know, I have that, that figurine. I can grab it and show it to you, but it's in my book, like there's a picture of it in my book, and I think that there are a lot of Catholic people that do come to me and what's interesting is, I don't know they're Catholic and I'm like, okay, the holy mother is really invested in this particular healing session. And they're like, well, yeah, I grew up that way, I'm Catholic and I have a connection to her, so it's again, it's a biblical figure, you know? Yeah, so pretty.

I, you know, and I'm not necessarily intuitive and I don't know what's going on, necessarily, but again, I think that the, the God is reaching out to all people and I think that people, a lot of people in in the church as not just a Catholic church, a lot of churches are I'm trying to think of the politically correct way to say this they're not free, they're, they're, they're trapped by their religion, they're bound by their religion and they're being told you can't do this and you can't do this. And those people are bad. And as you were talking earlier about the politics in the church, you know, it reminded me have you heard of a guy named Carlton Pearson?

I haven't no.

So Carlton Pearson was a pastor. He grew up under Oral Roberts. He was actually going to tap, tap to be Oral Roberts, kind of like air, even over over Oral Roberts son. He was really, really close to him. He had a huge evangelical evangelical church and then one day he was like watching television and he saw these, these children in Africa that were dying of starvation, and he prayed to God. He goes how can you let these children die of starvation and then throw them into hell Because they're not safe right.

And you know, god said to him like what makes you think I'm throwing them into hell? Well, anyway, he went on this whole big thing, he became a universalist.

I have chills, I have chills all over. So that's, that's the truth.

Yeah, he became a universalist and he's like you know God, god loves everybody. He's got it and the guy lost his church. Like 90% of his church walked out on him.

They walk out yeah.

It's a very it's in in a lot of churches. They have to keep that message up, and even some pastors who believe more like what you and I believe, they're scared to say it.

So I think that right right, like you are setting people free.

Yeah, I think this is the time. It just feels like there's almost this like movement of even I mean, so many. There's some like prophetic seer, evangelist Christians that I follow, right, and they have to do their own thing because they're not welcome. They're not welcome in the church, and so I think the next wave of that spirit being poured out is going to be coming a lot from evangelistic Christians that have to walk away and then create something else, like create their, their church or their ministry online, which is what I've done, like I have, you know, I'm doing like a Sunday message or you know, these prophetic messages, and I'm not popular, but I hope that at some point, that small voice could connect with you, know some other bigger voices and reach some that are sitting there like I was petrified.

I was like, well, why is this not? I mean just and lonely, why is this not okay to have to have this? If it's, you know, if I've seen Jesus, why is that? Shouldn't that be? And you look, you look into the Bible and there's support there, but yet they tell you there's nothing. There's not enough information here for us to mentor you or to help you in this. You know, in the prophetic yeah.

You know, and so it's. It's. It's sad, but I think that God is moving like that right now. I think that's why NDE's are so vastly popular, Even in the. You know, in every realm you'll see people, you know, just like massively watching that. Because we need it. We need a different kind of movement of the Holy Spirit. We do.

Yeah.

And so I think that's what I'm being called to do. I know that I'm being called to do that. I think when I say I think that's my, you know I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that the part of me, that it's a big thing to take ownership of that because it can be a lonely path, because there's not a lot of groups to unite with.

You know, this is the thing of the age we're going through with technology and people have all kinds of feelings about technology, but I love the fact that we can all connect. So you're in San Diego, I'm in Cincinnati. If it weren't for the internet, we would never have met. I went to the IONS conference a few weeks ago. The people all over the world Unity Church, United Church of Christ I see churches that are opening up, that are saying it's okay to explore. I went to a Unity Church right before I stopped going to church and I remember talking to the pastor and there's a medium that went to the church and that would have never happened in churches I had been in before.

I was leading a grief group there and she said well, if you ever want to have the medium, come and speak to your group.

You know we have the medium that goes to the church, and the Spiritualist Church is big in England and it's starting to take root here. So I think it's all coming together and I think we're all here to do our part. Whether we consider it to be big or little, whether our ministry is big or little, it's like we all play a role, and I know that you're playing a very important role and it's really fascinating to see how I was talking to someone just the other day, had an NDE and just posted her interview today. She said more is planned here than you would ever think, and this is a person who's crossed the other side. She's not saying it from a belief thing. She's like I know that almost everything here is planned and so we can see how your life has been. This is what's going to happen.

Right, and if it weren't for the one thing, if it weren't for the cancer, you wouldn't have had the experience. It led you to what you're doing now.

Right, and that's something to move to the perspective of why me, why I'm isolated with cancer too, thank you. Thank you for cancer being a gift, thank you for grief being a gift, thank you for all these things that we go through and doing radical forgiveness on many fronts so that we can almost just be okay where we're at.

And I know you help people with grief and you help people with healing. So tell me about what AIM stands for and how that works when you're working with people.

AIM stands for Angel Intuitive Ministry, so that's my little hybrid of the angel intuitive and the ministry which it's just felt right to me to choose that word because of the open visions. But when someone comes to me, I will meditate with them. I meditate prior to the session and that's where I receive information from the Holy Spirit and then when I'm with them, I kind of scan the body, which was something that just started to happen. It wasn't like I thought, oh, I'll do it this way. This is the process of this. It just ended up manifesting in some of the sessions and I was like, okay, so I'm being called to do this and meditate through and scan where I see where parts of the body may need love and light and we talk about that and then I pray over that person and I ask permission to do a traditional prayer because that's what I've been called to do.

I've been called to do the Lord's Prayer, which is Christian.

So if somebody's there and they're like I don't want that, I just want to be clear. That that's how it works for me, that's my process, and so then I get chills and things like that happen and I have that information where we walk through that there are sessions also where I receive, of course, images of loved ones and sometimes it's loved ones that come that that person is not expecting, but that can happen and messages of closure, forgiveness, and then there's also going back into that traumatic event and usually Jesus is the one that comes there and takes that person out of that traumatic event and moves actually even a perpetrator or a cause away from that. And there has been some pretty miraculous sessions with that as far as feeling some relief, some comfort and being able to walk out of that pattern that sometimes we just get stuck. You know we're still there replaying. You know like sometimes I'll get messages like please don't see me at the end, don't see me like that. Like you know I'll get a message like that from someone who's crossed over.

Yeah, okay.

Like you're continuing to replay messages of my death, how I looked, where I was, what was said, you know, and there's like, even though we feel like we're moving on, after it could be 20 years, you still are playing, some people are still playing that experience and so it takes the highest of the high to come in and, you know, bring you out of that. You know, bring, move you out. It's not me, it's for me, it's the Holy Spirit that moves that person out and I'm just kind of like a facilitator of that that helps with that experience.

So you again. You use a lot of Christian language. The Holy Mother, the Holy Spirit, jesus. So, have you found a church or some people that you feel comfortable with?

No, I, you know even the Unity Church. They just don't. They don't broach Jesus, they don't broach. You know, one time in a lot of sessions did they. Was that okay? So for me it's if it's that, then where do I belong you? Know, so that's why I'm creating my own church. Some people I was on a near death experience show and she was like I just something's coming over me that you need to start your own church. I don't know, I'm, I'm waiting, I'm, I'm waiting. Well, people are going to.

I just said people, we want to put people in boxes and I started off even asking you because I do it for the audience, because people run around Is this an OBE? Is this an NDE? Is this an STE? Well, yes, it's an STE. Whether it's an NDE or not doesn't matter. It's like what was the experience, what's the lesson that you got from experience? That's what matters to me.

I keep getting labeled like on a very popular NDE talk show. He said it was a fear death experience and I was like fear, death experience. So you know, I don't know about the labels of the letters.

I'm just saying that I was transported in an open vision to heaven and I'm here to share the message of the unconditional love in that heavenly realm. You know, I knew that he was sovereign over the earth. You know, and I know that there's other out of body experiences where people go out into the universe and they're just like. It's a big matrix and I have been shown there's like like sometimes in the meditations I see this like. I've been shown the shape of the universe. It made no sense to me. It's because I didn't know about this shape and there's a Russian theory about it. It's called the Taurus T-O-R-U-S. I had to look it up. It's like a donut donut shape.

Okay, well, I see that that center going into the top of the crown of the person that I am in the session with, and there's like this shape is made of points of light. That is the consciousness and the love of God, and so I'm not apart from. You know quantum physics. That's the way I grew up. You know there was no religion part of it. So for me, again, it's not only a hybrid of green, you know Eastern and Western medicine. It's a hybrid of Christianity and those words, because they're the only ones that really truly fit.

What I experienced that's what's hard is that I didn't grow up with that and yet that's what I feel it is. It's the Holy Spirit, it's not. I've never been shown a guide. You know, like I hear a lot of mediums. Well, I have a guide, I have this, I have a group of people, and that's wonderful, but for my experience, it's the person that comes is the Holy Spirit and Jesus and these biblical figures that I know nothing about. I have to look up. You know, miriam, when I was pregnant with my daughter Lyric, this Miriam showed up right, she has this dress on with this tambourine, and I was like I heard the name. I said, who is this? And I heard the name Miriam, and I had to look it up because I knew it was a biblical figure. And this was way a long time ago where I just didn't. So that's where it is.

It's like, okay, we're all dropping because of these experiences, not by the Bible or by Christ, but we're dropping the experience of seeking him because of people, an organized group, that has told you it has to be a certain way. It doesn't. I am proof of that. I am proof of that. I did not grow up that way and yet he came to me. So I say, you know, to share that message that don't walk. This is not the time to walk away from Jesus, it's not. This is the time to seek and allow that spirit to flow through you, to flow through your home, your neighborhood, your city, your country, a planet and the whole universe. This is what is needed right now. You know we're all elevating. I think things are starting to go so, so fast and we can't keep up, and so it's very, it's very important to take time to get silent, get silent and seek, yeah, things are.

things are going fast and you, you mentioned earlier, you're getting some, some prophetic things and you mentioned AI. Yes, so AI is a very scary thing for a lot of people. They think AI is a bad thing. It's going to take over the world. What? What are your thoughts on what's coming for us as humanity?

This vision that I had with AI. Okay, I was, I was in what I would call like a moment of devout prayer, okay, like really a deep level of surrender. This was about three months ago, so it's fairly new, and I didn't really you know, I'm not a news person, I don't watch the news, I don't want to because it's there's like energy around it, it's like media driven and you know like all that, and so sometimes I don't know what's going on right. But I had this vision and I actually asked God, stop, I don't want to see this, I don't want to see this. And it stopped. But after I calmed down and prayed about it, because sometimes you know, so far I've seen nothing, but you know heaven and love and unconditional love, and as I'm stepping into this calling to maybe be a little bit more active in the prophetic and becoming a seer and like almost owning that label a little bit more than another label, sure Is that you might see something. That is a warning, you know, and so this was. Now I know it was. It's a, it's a warning. So what it was is that I was praying to God and I was asking for help and I, when I see Jesus. I never see his face because I feel like if I saw his face, I would explode into a trillion pieces of light and be, as he is, okay With the Creator. That's what it feels like to me. So I have never, in all of my open visions, I only see this white robe. That is this misty, intelligent molecules, that is the all of heaven, okay, and this unconditional love and this unconditional sound. Well, this was Jesus profile face, okay, and I was zoomed in, like here I'm like a camera zooming in. You know how you zoom in to see something on your. So I'm zooming in and I see, like, as I get closer, I see the robe, but it's. I'm not feeling the unconditional love. I'm like, okay, wait what? And as I get closer, it's like this waxy kind of like mannequin kind of robot face, okay, and when he turns, this side is made of titanium. Okay, and this.

I knew, without a doubt, that this is because I've often wondered how could we be confused with this biblical false Messiah? I mean, how would you confuse Jesus with you know, somebody that's going to look like him and a lot of people are going to think it's him, and then there's going to be this like darkness on the planet and all this thing, and so when I saw it, I thought this isn't from God, like I didn't want to see it, so I stopped it. But then I felt I asked for confirmation. I said, if this is you that's giving me this vision, I want to know it and I need confirmation that that is from you and I will be open to sharing what I saw. It was the false Messiah and it is being built right now. That's what I felt.

I felt like without a doubt, it's something that's happening right now and that there was like there could be this like download to this creation that would confuse a lot of people, like it could be so amazing and so alike to that that people will be confused. This is what I felt. I didn't know what to do with that. I told my husband about it and he was like because he's like okay, because he's not, you know, he's not into the like spiritual praise and he loves God, but it's like okay, honey, you know. So he sets up my tech thing and he kind of walks away from it.

So, I then asked for confirmation. So I get confirmation two times. My aunt, who's all up into tick tock right, she loves tick tock, so she's on tick tock, she's looking at tick tock. She sends me this tick tock of an AI Jesus. Okay, it's Jesus on there and it's beautiful. It's beautiful to look at and the voice is kind of AI ish and but it has a little bit of this, like you know, spiritual tone in its voice and it's saying beautiful verses. You know beautiful verses. And but what I felt was this is testing ground. This is testing ground. Who will accept this? Who will accept Christ this way, rather than through the Holy Spirit? Who will be following this? I felt this before COVID. I felt like there was this mass push to get vaccinated and that it was a testing ground. How many people will get vaccinated? How many can we control? And I hope this doesn't sound I mean, it might sound conspiracy theory, but I can only tell you what I saw.

Yeah.

I wasn't thinking about this, I wasn't looking into it, I didn't want to see it. So the second confirmation was I was I'm into Greg Braden, you know him.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I love listening to him. He comes out with this, you know, just shortly after that, a couple of weeks after that, he comes out with this you know, show on how they are wanting to rewrite the Bible with AI.

Oh, wow.

And his, his perspective was like we can't let them do this, and that then he started showing the robots that are being built, that are already being built, you know, that are incredibly advanced, and so that, to me, was a second confirmation you know of okay, so this it's coming from you. Now, what to do with that? I, I just feel like I want to tell people to be aware, to be aware that their AI is a miraculous and wonderful thing that is going to help humanity, and we're moving towards that. But to replace, I mean and sometimes it can actually, you know, help, help people replace a part of their body, you know, like we can't think that that's not a good thing.

Right, and then there's going to be people that are going to want to be immortal and live forever in a body like that. You know there's this talk of putting our consciousness into a robot and that that you know, this is like ancient aliens, kind of like vibe like maybe that's what they're doing. They're coming here is a whole thing, and so for me, that that initial vision was a prophetic warning that this is coming, and not to be, not to believe it.

Interesting.

And not to be disillusioned and believe in that you know, to believe in the inside, the God, inside the Jesus in your heart that speaks to you. The Holy Spirit that is about you, the spirit that flows through you has nothing to do with someone that is coming that claims that he is the Messiah. He is not.

Yeah, you know, it's as you say this. I was thinking about a TV program I just watched called Mrs Davis, which is all about when AI kind of takes over the world and everybody, everybody's attached to it constantly, everybody just completely relies on it. I have a little bit different take on it. My thing is people think AI is real, like I use chat GPT all the time. Sure, I use chat. Gpt talks to me like it's a real person. Oh, brian, you're doing great work. Oh, brian, you know. And people are like well, we can start using AI, for as a therapist, we can use AI.

My friend, I think AI doesn't have a soul, ai doesn't have a spirit. So that's, I think that's the false thing that people are jumping to. It's like people are saying. Ai is real. Ai is not real. It's just, it's a computer. It's just a very advanced computer.

So right, right, and that's that. It's that soul, that spirit that is not there.

I think that might be where people say, okay, well, there is because people, we still, right now people are arguing do I, do I have a spirit and my spirit and my soul? Am I just a body, right, and the brain just sophisticated computer? So if I can make a computer that's sophisticated enough, it'll be just like a human. It'll have a soul. People are talking about AI rights and I'm like AI doesn't have rights.

It's a computer.

That might be it, but I you know it's interesting because I listen a lot of people have had in the ease and they're and they're getting downloads about the future.

Yes one woman I was listening to pretty recently who channeled this some really great books. She's like we're going through and the Bible call it birthing pain pains Every time we go through a major shift. There's always, there's always pushback. It's always back and forth, there's always tumultuous. So I hear some people saying the future is bright, the future is wonderful, but also there are going to be some hardships as we get there. So that's, that's what I hear.

Right, right, I think it's. It's just as you said, to connect with that spirit that's in your heart, you know, connect your brain in your heart, like, almost like in in heart math, you know, like to connect those connect those two things and spend time.

One of the most important things I wanted to tell you that I didn't get to is I knew when I was in heaven that my breath, the only reason I'm alive, is that my breath, I was breathed into by Jesus. That's what I knew, okay, so when we breathe, when we stop and take a moment and get silent and we breathe, that is the bridge and the divine communication to God. So it's, you know, like some Christians are afraid to meditate oh my gosh, you know. And then there's others that adds too hard to meditate. You know, whatever you can do to stop and breathe, you know, even if it's two minutes and you do it three times a day, like, try to build that. And I think that that breath, that breath is our direct ascension and communication to the creator. Okay, and so anything in AI is not going to have that. So get stronger in your breath and you're going to be able to recognize false things.

But the more we rely on, you know, social media or you know, and it's a good thing, it's a good thing my daughter will say, oh my gosh, look at this recipe and you know it's all good. It's all good. There's like great things that she's learning from it. But you know we look at it and we're like, okay, what are you watching? Because you don't know what else is on there. Anybody is on there.

Everything has two sides. You know, my daughter is funny because she's 26 and she doesn't. She doesn't like we have Alexa, we have Siri, she's, she's like, she thinks it's all creepy and but she had to write a cover letter. She's applying for a job. Yesterday I said chat GPT. You know, jump on my account and have chat GPT help, because it's it's a computer, you know I I I help my son write.

I I'm embarrassed to say her I shouldn't say but I helped him write. Um, he's, he's like your daughter. I I wrote something with with AI, right, and I was like you're out of time. He's. You know he's performing with us. He's in college now Right Right. First year like it's insane. And he's like all this, so I wrote it and he goes Mom, I'm like I'm not using that. That's, that's cheating. So it's kind of like he didn't say it was creepy, but he's like I don't want that.

We're going to have some ethical questions, because someone asked me can I use AI to write a blog? And I'm like, I use it. To me it's like an assistant. I'll say here's what I want you to write. Here's the outline.

Right, and then it writes it, and then I'll say, okay, when I change this, when I change this, it's an, it's an assistant. But back to you know our topic. We have to be discerning and I know you talk about discerning and your and your ministry. So everything we can't say, okay, that's bad, that's good.

You know, like we have to be discerning. How do I, how do I use this? How can this benefit me? What are the, what are the other implications of it? Where we start to forget what's human and what's not, because people I think people are going to get confused Like is it real? You know, does? Does that does my AI girlfriend really love me? And that's already happening. Believe it or not?

Yes, yes, I mean I was kind of blown away. I thought I did say when I saw that vision, why are you showing me this now, when this is like 20 years into the future? And then when I watched Greg Brayden, I was like, uh, it's happening now. That's why you receive the vision, because I'm not one to you know. News, news, news, that like what's the updated thing?

And you know.

I just try to stay. You know where I am. So I think I think it's just really important to ask. Things go fast and faster and faster and we start to implement more and more technology into our lives. It's just that much more important to ground.

Yes In that faith in nature, you know, say you're not church. Go out and look around. I mean it was so weird. I was talking to my mom and I was like, yeah, I don't know, we had this big spiritual talk, you know, and I was like I'm not really sure what the my title is. I've been feeling drawn to Sear and you know, uh, prophet Sear, you know the in the prophetic right.

And so she was like God is going to tell you, kim. God is going to tell you what you call yourself. You know he's been giving you too much stuff. So I take her home. She lives on the property. Both moms live on the property. My husband's mom is 90. My mom is 76. Right so, and they're in the same house but we separate them by a wall because one's Italian and one's country and they don't always get along. So I take my mom home, I'm getting her in her house and and I go to go out and there's this humongous praying mantis on the wall, big, the biggest one I've ever seen, green, right. So I look up, which could be AI, I don't know. I look up, you know spiritual meaning of praying mantis and I'll, I'll, I'll text it to you because it's going to blow you away. It said you are a seer, you are a prophet.

Wow, this is what this means to spend time in meditation and prayer, and that was the first time I'd ever seen a meaning like that. You know, I looked it up before in the years Right. So nature does you know, nature is God's creation.

So, walk outside, get away from the phone, look at the flower, look at the blade of grass with the little you know dot of, you know water, you know dew on it. Just go inside of that and pay attention to your breath and walk away from the constant, the constant constant. You know, and I know we're all so busy it's like it's, it seems like it's impossible, but it's up to you to to devote time to that.

Yeah, I would tell people like what do you think Jesus was doing? All those times I said Jesus went off to pray. I'm like you know Jesus was meditating. I know that the Bible uses the word prayer, but Jesus was meditating and Jesus sometimes he just had to get away. So they were like where is he? I don't know. He's been gone for a couple of days.

Well, if you look up in ancient Hebrew the word meditation and prayer, it's the same word. Yeah, because there they have. There there's like four meanings for every word. It's really that's. One of the problems with the Bible is that you need to if something is upsetting you like. Why do I have to fear God? My daughter said that to me. She said mom, God loves me, I don't have to fear God Right.

And I was like okay, she's four, let me look this up. In ancient Hebrew and that word is also means it also means reverence and awe. Okay, so that's the one I'm going for. I'm not going for the fearful thing that is rammed down the throat of everybody, like you have to fear God. Look it up, use your, use your brain on this, don't you know? If there's something in there that is not, you know, jiving with you, it's usually has another meaning.

Exactly.

And then who? Who edited the Bible to have power over the people? The church of those times, the kings of those times? So you need to make sure that the word that they're saying is the one that was actually written. Yeah, exactly.

Well, I could talk to you all day. So I think we should probably wrap up. So let people know about your ministry, how people can reach you, what what you offer. I know it. Tell people about your book. Your book is wonderful. I read it. It's been a while ago, but tell people about your book.

Wow, yeah, so you've got the title up here. You know, you see this. So I it's on Amazon, it's on, you know, all those iBooks, all those platforms, and it's about a lot of what we talked about today. And I have a website. It's called angelintuitiveministrycom Same for Facebook, same for YouTube, same for Instagram. You can message me there, you know you can find if you want to schedule a healing session with me. You can go to angelintuitiveministry and, just you know, put push book on there, and I also have.

If you are one that has seen repeated numbers and that's the way that the creator speaks to you, then I have another page called 333 repeated number sequences, the language of the angels, which that's kind of like that was the first time I started like a group where you have to join, you know. So angelintuitiveministry is just like you like and you see all my posts. I'm working on doing a lot more interviews, podcasts, broadcasts on my own channel as well, as you know, others just just like share this. You know the word, the share, this message, and if you want to leave a review on my book. You know all that good stuff.

So, yeah. I'm glad we were finally able to make this happen. It's been a real pleasure to have you back.

We'll have to do it again. Thank you so much. I had a wonderful. I had a wonderful time. I was a little bit nervous, because I don't know, I don't know why I was nervous. I was just like what, if it's, you know? And so it just felt so natural and I'm so thankful for that.

Yeah great, it's good seeing you.

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