From Corporate to Clairvoyant: Andrej Djordjevitch's Extraordinary Journey into Spiritual Enlightenment and Mediumship

Hey everybody, this is Brian, back with another episode of Grief to Growth, and today I've got with me Andrej Georgevich. Andrej is a resident of Cardiff. He has an esteemed spiritualist medium, he's a healer, he's a trans medium and he's a tutor at Arthur Finley College. And if someone that goes over your head, don't worry. We're going to talk about what Arthur Finley College is, what trans mediumship is and all that stuff. For several years Andrej has walked a spiritual journey. He's dedicated himself to not only understanding but living the spiritual principles that he's on earth. He's again. He teaches at Arthur Finley College, which is a world famous college for medium ship. He also works with people one-on-one, giving readings, doing trans mediumship and doing healings. He serves a spiritualist church and we'll talk about the spiritual church. Spiritual church is, and it does, with something that's called evidence based mediumship. He helps to nurture individuals to tap into their own potential and teaches people to be mediums as well. So with that, I want to introduce to the grief to growth Andrej Georgevich.

Thank you, brian, good to be here.

Yeah, it's really a pleasure to have you here today. It was same before we got started. We have a mutual friend who speaks very, very highly of you and said you've got to get Andrej on your program. So here you are. I'm excited to have you here today. I always, when I talk to people that are in mediumship, I'm always curious how did you get started on this path? It's not a normal path, it's not a very typical path that people do as a living. So how did you get started in mediumship?

Well, that's a great story because my background was nothing to do with mediumship. I wasn't one of these people that saw spirit. As a child, I knew nothing about mediumship, nothing about the spirit world. I owned a steel company. I was managing director of a steel company, so I was very much following a pathway of industry. And, obviously, being managing director, I had the perks of owning the company and I had private medical healthcare and I would take clients out for lunch, we'd play tennis, play squash, and one day I damaged my cartilage in my knee and a friend of mine that night said oh, tomorrow Fred the Heel is coming around. He can have a look at your knee for you. I said, don't be stupid. I said I have private medical healthcare and I will go to Boopa or whenever it was, I can't remember. Okay, well, I never went to Boopa. My knee was still bad.

And a week later my friend said oh, friends coming around in this afternoon and that morning I'd gone to the opticians to get my first pair of bifocal glasses, you know, the ones where you look down to read. So I said okay. I said I'm going to sort this Fred out. I've got enough of this Fred guy, so I get my new glasses, I go back to my friend's house I say, okay, I got some money. How much does he want? No, it's free. No, I'm in business, I'm totally stupid.

Nothing's free. There must be a catch. He said you know, do I have to sign up for some cult? No, it's free. I said okay, I'm going to sort this guy out. So I walked into the room and I sat down in front of him. I put my knee out in front of him. I was challenging him, I folded my arms tight and I glared at him and I can remember these words. I said I've been told you can fix my knee. I mean, I thought this guy was a joke. And he said okay. And he put his hands either side of my knee and as I looked down I could see what looked like smoke coming out of my knee. That's the only way I could describe it, brian.

And afterwards I went back to the opticians to say I've had these new glasses this morning. And the reading bit when I looked down, I'm starting to see things. Can you change your prescription? They said well, tabry, sorry sir, we'll change it for you now. Well, they checked the prescription and they realized there's nothing wrong with the prescription. And this is where the weird thing started. Half of me is panicking because I'm starting to see things. The other half of me felt completely normal about seeing things. It's a weird thing for that to happen at the same time.

So I rushed back and luckily Fred was still there and I walked into the room and he looked behind me and he started talking to somebody. Well, I turned around and nobody there. I thought this guy's nuts. Who's he talking to? Remember? I knew nothing about the spirit world, nothing about he.

And Fred said look, I've just been told to tell you go to a spiritualist church, there's a message waiting for you. I said what church? When, how, who, where? And he said I've been told to tell you. You choose at random, don't tell anybody. And I didn't even know what a spiritualist church was. I looked up spiritualist churches, found a church, didn't tell anybody I was going, no connection to Fred.

I went along Sunday six o'clock, opened the doors, a full congregation of people and three ladies at the front, and as soon as I opened the door, the middle lady turned around and pointed at me and she said we've been waiting for you, we have a message for you. Well, I'm starting to shake in my boots now because there's no connection between Fred and this woman, none whatsoever. And I could have run or go in. So I went in and basically, the message was this is a pathway that is open to you. If you wanted to walk it, do you want to walk it? And I virtually became clairvoyant overnight with that one touch from Fred. Well, it wasn't Fred, it was the spirit world.

Wow.

But when I look back I think the spirit world was probably knocking on my door for quite some time and I wasn't listening. I didn't even know there was a spirit world. So they were making things more and more and more dramatic. But that becoming clairvoyant and someone telling, repeating what Fred had said with no connection, more or less sold me the pathway.

So how were they knocking on your door before that?

Well, again, I didn't know at the time. Right, I didn't know at the time. But looking back, I was in business and I was good at what I did. When I was interviewing staff, for instance, I had a board of directors with me and they would see these of all the candidates, and people would walk in and I would say he's the one and they'd say, well, how would you know? Are you going to receive? I don't know, I don't need to receive Now. I just thought I was a clever businessman making clever business decisions. That's what I thought at the time. How can it be any different? But in reality, I know I was. I was being inspired, I was exercising my psychic senses. I didn't even know I had Wow.

That's fascinating. So how about your knee? Was your knee healed at the time?

My knee's still bad. Oh, wow Again. And this is perhaps something good about healing we get drawn to healers for maybe a problem that we think that we want to have cured. Maybe the reason is something else that needs to be addressed, and in my case it was certainly to feel the touch of the spirit world, to awaken something within me.

That is fascinating Because you know, I know, people sometimes go to healers and we say well, the healing didn't work, my knee is still bad or my elbow is still bad.

It was so fixated on the physical symptoms. I've got a bad elbow. I'm going for healing. Maybe they will. The healing will work, but maybe not in the way that you think it's going to work.

Interesting, interesting. So, with the clairvoyance, when did you realize that this is something that you wanted to do, to teach and to go into it as fully as you have?

Well, again, everything is about reflection and looking back. I want to go back to my teenage years and I was in school and I always wanted to be a teacher. I just had this feeling I wanted to teach. That's what I wanted to do. And you know, in the UK we have our exams I think it was 16, well, all levels to go to teacher training college and I didn't do any work because I knew I was going to teach. I didn't have to sit for my exams because I knew I was going to teach. So, anyway, we all sat our exams that summer. Of course, I failed them all because I hadn't done any work.

All my friends went to teacher training college and my father said to me son, you're going to get a job. And I thought, and again I was in complete confused. Confused because I had this I really wanted to teach and I couldn't understand why I wasn't going to college at 17 with all my friends to learn to be a teacher. But it wasn't until later on, very later on, did I realize it was a different type of teaching. So it's something that's always been within me. I teach in an altered state, I teach in a trance state and basically I believe, or I know, that we are all part of everything, that is, we are a universal consciousness being expressed through a physical body, and we can tap into any aspect of universal consciousness whatever resonates with us, and I guess I've always tapped into an aspect of teaching, and so that's something that completely resonates with you. You know, it's like somebody that if they play a sport that they really, really love, they're tapping into their inner joy of what they want to do.

I'm thinking so. You're a successful business owner, you go and you have this experience. And I think it's interesting also that they said that this path has opened you. So it wasn't like it was forced on you. It doesn't sound like it was your choice. And so what did the people around you think when you said I'm going to make this transition into this world?

Well, again, it's all about starting to undo our human conditioning, because we put on a persona to the world of what we want people to see. So if I was a businessman, I put on this persona of what I think a businessman should be like. But now this other part of me is unfolding and initially it was quite difficult. The hardest part was telling my parents. You know, I was in my late 30s and my father he was from Serbia, or it was Yugoslavia in his day, but now it's Serbia, and they never talked about spirituality, they'd never talked about the spirit world. My father was a. He worked in a factory all his life, you know, and he came from a small village in Serbia. So I said look, dad. I said I need to tell you something. You know, I wanted my parents to know because I was starting to develop and work a little bit and I wanted them to know for me. So I said, dad, I need to tell you that I'm following this pathway of healing, which just happened all of a sudden. And my dad looked at me and he said oh, that makes sense. So what do you mean? He said Well, your grandmother was the healer for the village. Oh, wow, auntie was the seer they would go to. Your auntie went to plant the crops and they would go to your grandmother when they were ill. No, he never told me that in 30 years. Wow, wow.

So that was my first step telling my parents. And then I didn't actually tell anybody. I just ran my business but also followed this pathway Evening and weekends, and so gradually more and more people started to find out about it. But because I was the boss, I don't think they didn't challenge me. And it got to a stage where I had to make a huge decision Because it was taken up so much of my time and running the business I couldn't do both together. And so I did, decided to give up the business and to follow this pathway full time. Wow, I wish I'd done it 20 years ago, wow.

So how did the clairvoyance present? Because you mentioned clairvoyance, but you also mentioned healing, so sounds like the clairvoyance developed first. And what was that like? What were you? What were you seeing?

Well, again, I have to say I am very, very lucky. Okay, I'm very lucky. The very first thing when something new happens to you, you want to find out what. What do I do? What's the next step? There's this thing. That's happened. What do I do? So you start asking people what you do meditate. I didn't even know what meditate was so okay. So I started to meditate, but what happened? This is again. This is crazy. When I closed my eyes to meditate, I got taken I can only describe it as taken to a place that resembled the world of Avatar. You know Avatar, that film.

Yes, absolutely yeah.

I first day close my eyes and I was in Avatar land.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, and then these beings of light. I thought I can only describe them. They weren't human, but they were this intelligent beings of light showed me things and I sat for an hour to two hours a day for two years Because I was having these unbelievable experiences.

Yeah.

So after about a year of this, I started to talk to people Are you meditating? And they say, no, the boring. So I've been boring. Don't you get taken to this world, don't you have these intelligent beings show you stuff? They said what strange world, what stuff? Oh, so I realized I was having a totally different experience, absolutely. So. The clairvoyance initially helped me to process all the information that this intelligence was sharing with me. Then I had to decide how I was going to present that information. So, in other words, I had this information, I had this knowledge, I had this connection to this intelligence.

Mm, hmm.

Next stage. What do you do with it? How do you express that? So I started off by expressing it as healing. That's how I started, because healing is what's known as a passive mediumship, so in other words, you don't actively do anything in the healing session, you just become the healing intelligence that you're connecting to, and then the healing intelligence just manifests through you automatically. So healing was my very first way of expressing this spirituality.

So were these beings giving you information? You were spending quite a bit of time with them. Were they telling you about the spirit world, about our world? What were they expressing to you?

Well, again, it's very difficult for me to explain the process, and I'll try to explain the process, because how the information is transferred is you become part of that journey, you become part of what they are showing you and then you just know things.

And so very early on they showed me a healing process of just actually learning to become the healing intelligence, and they were just showing various ways that they do it, by just accessing different aspects of universal consciousness, depending on what's required, and so they would show me it's like a universe where they could just go to any point in the universe and access any energetic point, whatever was required, and when they accessed an energetic point, they become that energy. So they wanted healing. They would just go to a point of healing in the universe, become the healing and it manifests, and so on and so on and so on. The other part of the journey for me is about personal growth, undoing all our human conditioning, because we are totally conditioned, we are totally working through a way that our parents have taught us, our religious teachers have taught us, our teachers in school have taught us, and maybe, maybe, that reality isn't exactly what we need, but part of my growth is undoing a lot of the things I've been told, certainly about mediumship.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's true for all of us. You know we do. We have all been, as you said, programmed in a certain sense and we all put on these masks and we walk around and people expect us to wear the masks and we say we wouldn't take it off there. They're not usually very happy about it.

Well, I'm the idea with a lot of couples who are having problems in their relationships and I you know from experience. I would say most of them have that problem. They've put on a mask of what they think their partner wants to see, which is great for a year or maybe two, but when they revert to being what they want to be and who they really are, their partner says what's happened? You changed. You're not the person I married, you're not the person I fell in love with, you're a totally different person. But they're only being themselves Right and, as you said, they're no longer presenting that mask that they presented at the beginning.

Right, right. So I'm assuming that you initially did your healing and your mediumship probably in the Spiritualist Church? Is that correct?

Yeah, I started 100% in the Spiritualist Church.

And for people that don't know, could you tell them what the Spiritualist Church is, because it's not as big here as it is in the UK.

Yeah, well, basically, a Spiritualist Church is basically like a church service, where there are prayers, there is some philosophy, but also spiritualists believe that there is no death and that when the physical body dies, you actually don't die.

You move on as an individual energy, starting the next part of your journey. So in a Spiritualist Church, rather than people say, look, this is what you must believe, they try to prove through evidence that there is an afterlife. So in other words, they say, ok, I have your mum with me from the spirit world. And the people in the audience will say, ok, how do I know? It's my mum. And so they would have to provide some evidence to say, well, this lady's name is Joanna and she's got dark hair and she worked as a nurse. And by providing that factual evidence, it gives the people in the audience not only comfort that their loved ones are not dead, they are still alive, but also that they are never going to die. And maybe that's perhaps more important, because once you know, once you really know you can't die and there is no death, I think your life changes completely.

Oh, absolutely. And that brings us to I was going to ask you to describe evidential mediumship because again, I think it's a little bit different in the UK than it is here from. My understanding is like it's really emphasized in the UK to provide evidence, and I know a lot of people in the US are skeptical about mediumship because they say, well, you just say general things. So can you maybe talk about the evidence in a spiritualist church and why it's so important?

Yeah, one of the biggest problems of spiritualism, has Brian, is that there's not enough good mediums that can give factual evidence. That's the major problem. I would love it to be in a situation where anybody can go at any time to any spiritualist church and have factual information. All the time it's not quite there, it doesn't always happen, and I understand how some people go, and even in the UK they go, and there's this general talk which doesn't really prove a lot. But my training was with the British National Union, the SNU, and part of their tenants, part of their philosophy, is you have to provide evidence before you can even go on to give a message in the spirit world, because anybody can say they're giving a message in the spirit world. So we endeavor to try to give as much information so the person in the church is fully happy yeah, that is my mum, that is my dad, that is my child. And that evidence can come in different ways. It can come in names, but the personality is very easy to do because you feel the personality of the person. Relationship, job, hobbies, method of passing, shared memories is another one. So, yeah, initially we try to prove that evidence first and then, if it's a message, then bring a message. But I think things are changing, brian, and I'll tell you what I'm trying to do.

I teach something that is cool because I specialize in trance. I thought well, if I can learn to allow the intelligence of the universe to speak through me, if I can learn to allow my spirit guides to speak through me, there's no logical reason why I can't learn to allow a disquanate spirit to speak through me. So, in other words, there's no reason why I cannot become a disquanate spirit and speak to the sitter directly, rather than the medium. Say, I have your mum in the spirit world and she's telling me this. She's telling me that I become a mum and I speak to.

I don't know if your mum is in the spirit world or not, brian, but she was. I would become your mother and I would speak to you as your mother, using the terminology that your mum would use between you, using perhaps the words, the phrases, the tone, the pitch, the pace of how your mother would interact with you and also give you an opportunity to speak back to your mother. So that's the way I'm now starting to approach what I call evidence. Okay, and it is. I teach it, but it's really hard, because there's no hiding Right. You are either mum or you're not.

I thank you for sharing that. That's the first I've heard of what that definition of trans mediumship. So you're saying that you're, you're connecting and I hear the word blending all the time, meaning I'm blending with the spirit, but you're allowing that spirit, you're becoming that person and speaking directly to the sitter as their, as their loved one. Yeah, yeah.

Because but don't get me wrong, I teach it, brian. It's hard, it's really hard, but when it happens it changes the world, it changes everybody's. There's no hiding. Sure, you know, you know. So, yeah, so basically, trans mediumship, as I call it, is blending with an aspect of universal consciousness. I call universal consciousness everything that is. So when I do trans mediumship, the bulk of what I do I tend to blend with the healing intelligence, for healing I tend to blend with an intelligence that speaks, so I call it intelligence thought and then blend with the disk on eight spirit to become that person. Once you've learned the ability, in trance, to remove your consciousness and just allow that energy to become part of you, you then just have to decide what particular energies you want to become part of you. What resonates with you the most?

You said it's really hard.

Well practice. Think of it this way most people, when they blend, say with their spirit guides just call it spirit guides to make it easy they want to spend a couple of years building up a relationship, feeling comfortable, allowing that guide to come closer and closer and closer and, over a period of time, allow the guide to fully be part of it. You take a couple of years for that to happen. Now look at Discarnate Spirit. You're asking the stranger who you never met before, never met them before, to blend with you fully on day one, even though you have developed that trance to allow a blend to happen. It's a complete stranger.

Yeah, so it's different every time.

So some people find that difficult, and quite likely so it is difficult, but the more you practice the more comfortable it gets and it can be achieved.

So I mentioned earlier in your intro, you teach at Arthur Finley College. Most of my listeners probably know it, as some people probably don't, so explain to people what Arthur Finley College is.

Yeah, basically, the Arthur Finley College is, I would say, probably the most prestigious place in the world to learn about mediumship. They have courses on all types of mediumship. Most of again this is something I want to share with you Most of the courses tend to be about evidential mediumship, but in reality I'm finding not so many people want to learn evidential mediumship as much as they did, really, yeah. So bear in mind that you can only learn what you have been told you can learn. So if you want to learn mediumship, if I was to say to you, brian, you're going to learn some kind of mediumship, you'd automatically think of evidential mediumship. But there's healing mediumship, there's trans mediumship and there's evidential mediumship, and I've seen more of a shift between moving away from evidential mediumship into trans and healing.

Really.

Yeah, oh think with this. I have lots of clients that come to me as people who are struggling with their life perhaps they have a problem with their life and I say to them okay, what do you want to learn? Do you want to connect to the spirit world? Not really. Do you want to be a platform medium? No, not really. What do you want?

Oh, I want to know why I'm here, what I can do, how can I grow as a person, how I can serve humanity, how I can help people to become better people. That's what I want to know. I'm finding more and more people are far more turning towards self-development and growth. Don't get me wrong. A lot of people still want to practice evidential mediumship. But I know, if I look at the courses at the Arthur Finley College now, there are more and more healing courses, there are more and more trans courses being presented, but of course, there's a lot of evidential mediumship courses still being presented and they basically give you an opportunity for you to unfold, to practice in a way, and get some guidance and some advice on what to do.

Yeah, well, speaking of that because I noticed I mean you do healing, you do also trans mediumship, where you're bringing someone through, but you also it sounds like you coach people, you help people, as you said. Why am I here? What's my life path? All that kind of stuff. And then we hear that from most mediums that I work with. So how does that process work for you?

Well, again, that evolve, everything evolves. I started off very much teaching evidential mediumship, healing and trans mediumship Fairly standard. But I noticed over a period of a couple of years that I started to change and more and more of my teaching, more and more of my sittings were about self growth but also about teaching, and I started to realize that I work in a far deeper, altered state. What I teach, I teach in a trans state and I can remember the first time that happened. It was amazing.

I am, I work with some organizers, some course organizers in America, and we planned this weekend online during COVID, and we set the days out, the times out, what we were going to cover, what I was going to cover. And then I work with an intelligence that I call Michael. That's not his name, but I label it Michael and that's the intelligence that guides me and supports me, but it's only a label that I use. And in one day he said oh, andrea, I'll take the course this weekend. And I said yeah, of course you will. You know, you will inspire me to move and say certain things.

No, he said, I will take the course this weekend. What do you mean? He said well, on Saturday morning you turn the machine on and on Sunday night you turn the machine off. Wow, and all of a sudden I'm emailing America. Can we change the weekend? Yeah, what you want to change around, what anytime stops. You want to make different. I said no. Can we change it where I would do it in trans and again huge decision to make. I could have said no.

Yeah.

I'm good at what I do. I'm a good tutor. I plan things out. All of a sudden, I've been asked to put that to one side and just allow the intelligence of the universe to teach, and that's the best thing I ever did.

Wow.

And that has now evolved again into what I teach is called transformational spiritual life coaching.

And what I do and what I teach is to first of all teach people to be able to go into the trans state and then get people to allow the intelligence of the universe to analyze the client and to manifest for that client whatever they need. It's normally we, as humans, we like to control everything. When it comes to you, I got a problem, oh, I'll give you some healing. But how do we know that they need healing? That's a human thing, that's a human thought, and so I'm teaching this to allow people to completely surrender to the intelligence of the universe and let the intelligence of the universe decide what the person needs to experience to grow or to get better. Is it a pure energetic healing? Is it a trans speaking words of wisdom? Is it trans evidential, where a disquanate spirit comes in to say hello? Is it learning them to be a coach and to guide others into a process? And I get people to trust in the intelligence to call the shots, not the medium or not the teacher.

Interesting. Yeah, I've never heard that. That sounds fascinating and something that actually, frankly, of great interest to me. I have a lot of good friends that are mediums, and I'm trying to learn to rely more on my own intuition, and I think it's kind of like you were saying earlier, though we all have a certain level of intuition that is with us during our lives, but we don't call with that and we just say I feel like I knew this, I knew the right thing to say and that, realizing that it is coming from some other intelligence, exactly.

Yeah, it's best part of us and perhaps that's one of the first things we all have to learn. Again, I was so naive when I first started developing I thought I'd have two minds. I had André's mind with my thoughts and then separate mind with the thoughts of the spirit world. It doesn't happen that way. It all happens in your mind. Interesting, yeah, and I was taught very early on, especially for trans speaking, that I would go into a sleep-like state. I would not know what was happening and when I was in a sleep-like state, in trans, the spirit world would speak through me.

Okay, so I'm sitting in quite a deep, altered state and then one day Michael says I want to speak and I said you can't, it's not allowed. He said what do you mean? I know who you are, I know what you're going to say. I'm not in a sleep-like state. I don't want people to think that I'm cheating or pretending. So no, you can't speak and it's been off for months. I'm trying to get into this sleep state.

Michael is saying he wants to speak. I'm not allowing it. So one day Michael said okay, andre, there's only one way around this. Why don't you say to your friends, your colleagues in your group? Why don't you say to them these words, why don't you say can I share my thoughts with you? And I thought, hmm, yeah, I can do that because I'm not cheating, I'm conscious and they are thoughts in my mind, in André's mind, but I'm going to verbalize. So I said to them can I share my thoughts with you? Not a problem. And the moment I did that, the first couple of sentences were André's thoughts and then the third or fourth sentence became Michael's thoughts, because it's going through the process of André's mind.

Yeah, thank you. That's really interesting because I've heard people. There's a debate about what's truly trance and you know, I know some teachers even say there is no such thing as trance and if you're in trance then you shouldn't remember. You know what you said and I hear you saying that. Something different, at least in your experience.

Yeah, well, that's how it starts basically. So, in other words, that's probably a light trance. In other words, okay, where you are speaking the thoughts of the spirit world, you're speaking the thoughts of the intelligence of the universe, but you also have an awareness of what's been said and I can only describe it, and there's no disrespect to the spirit world or my call or anybody. It's almost like you get bored listening.

Hmm.

I'm there, oh yeah, what's Michael talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, great. And then, oh no, I think he's not speaking. He's not speaking about heaving again, is he? Oh, okay, I'll drift off a bit and then I just gradually removed myself a little bit, so, in other words, I wasn't put my awareness of what was being said. I knew he was speaking about healing, but I wasn't listening to every single word.

Yeah.

And then a bit later you know, six months later, maybe a year later, whatever I removed myself even more. So I got to a stage okay, I know I'm speaking, but I don't know what I'm speaking about, but it doesn't matter. And then, gradually I got to a stage of not knowing anything.

Hmm.

But also what I've learned is is that it's important to have that ability to go from a light trance into a deep trance, but also realize that if you're going to allow the intelligence to become part of the process and call the shots and make the decisions, you may not need to go into a deep trance all the time. They may say, okay, this client here needs to hear the human and race speaking and engaging and so you'll only go into, maybe, a light trance. The next client needs to go, perhaps needs you to go into, like a mid trance state, and there are some clients where you go into a deep trance state. Again, I've learned to trust in the intelligence to make the decision. What's the best thing to do for me?

So, from the client's perspective, would I be able to tell the difference if I'm speaking you, whether you're Andre or whether you're in a deep trance?

Depending on your sensitivity. Most people who have a degree of sensitivity not a developed medium, a degree of sensitivity would know the energy shift, Shift in energy. What Michael does he does demonstrations. If I knew what he's going to do, I wouldn't allow him, because I'm putting myself out there and I look back on recordings and the things that he does is to say look, I want you all to experience different energies. And he will say, okay, I'm going to access different points in the universe, I'm going to change the energy for you all to feel the difference. That's a big statement for him to make, because if things go wrong, it's Andre. People are going to look at him and Michael, and so he will go into a deep healing energy and everybody will feel a deep healing energy. Then you say, okay, now I'm going to shift that, I'm going to shift it to this type of energy. And he will just change it and say right, you should all feel a shift in energy and a different energy change. So yes, to answer your question, yes, you would know the difference.

Okay, well, I was thinking about, like I just read the Seth books recently and Jane Roberts, when she would do Seth, she'd take off her glasses and her voice would change. And I've seen other mediums, female mediums, for example that'll actually speak in a male voice. So I've seen people do things like that With you. Your experience is not that dramatic when Michael is coming through. It's not like you completely change personalities.

No, for me, I am just allowing Michael to access my mind and use Andre's physical apparatus to share that information. I mean, people say things like my eyes change color when Michael comes through. I don't know if he does or not. Luckily, I don't see how that can happen. But again, everyone's different. Everybody processes the information in a different way.

Right. I think it's important I respect other people's experiences. I hear so many people say, well, this is impossible. I have an acquaintance who's a medium and she can shift very quickly and start channeling other beings. Other people say, well, no, you can't channel that quickly, it takes half an hour or takes whatever amount of time to get into that. So we try to limit other people's experiences, which I think is a mistake.

Oh yeah, I mean it's all down to the development of the trans medium. I've been doing this for 30 years. I can quickly go into a trans state and quickly come out to a trans state. Whereas when I first started my early years, it took me 15, 20 minutes, now it takes me three or four.

Okay. So we started off and talked about your story, which I think is really fascinating, because you said I didn't see spirit as a child. I've talked to a lot of mediums who did. They started off seeing it, but then, when I hear about your background, it sounds like you at least had latent ability, because it comes to your family, that seems to be a common theme too, with people that are really highly developed. It seems like there's almost a genetic component to it. So do you think can anybody learn to become a medium if someone goes to Arthur Finley and dedicates himself, or is there a certain amount of innate ability that you have to Kart Nutcracker?

Well, I think anybody can do anything to a certain level. It's like football Okay, everybody can play football. Okay, anybody can play football, but some people play football better than others. Yeah, and people can train as hard as each other. They can all have the exact same amount of training, the exact same amount of willpower, but some people will shine more than others. Right, and I think it's the same as mediumship. I think everybody can practice their psychic ability to a certain level. I think everybody has different I don't want to use the word gifts Everyone has different abilities in life. Some are more trainable than others. So I don't think anybody can become a medium. I think to become an effective medium, I think it has to be something within you, but that's not. It doesn't stop anybody from practicing and being able to do it to a certain degree.

Yeah, Thank you. I think that I happen to agree with that answer. So it seems like a good answer to me from my experience, because I've heard some people say well, anybody can become a medium. Like, can anybody become a good medium? That's the question.

Yeah, At the end of the day, it's all what I do with my teaching and my training. I really simplify everything. We've made it. We have made it so complicated, and when I say to people look, the only thing that matters, the only thing that matters is the quality of the energy and the quality of the information, We'll stop.

How you get that information, how you think you get that information, who you think your guides are, who you think you are connecting to, is just noise. It all boils down to the quality of the energy and the quality of the information. And that's what I try, because we're all we're always again, we're taught get to know your guide. I think that's wrong. Right, what you say is get to know the energy. Yeah, If somebody says you get to know your guide straight away, that's putting a conditioning on you. Oh, I got a guide. Okay, who is my guide? Man or woman or neither, or angel, or ascended master or something else? All of a sudden, what should be a simple process of get to know the energy has evolved into this huge process of who is my guide? Where did he come from? What does he do? Does it matter? It's a quality of the energy, a quality of the information.

Yeah.

I've done a blog on my website about who is Michael, over 25 years and how much I'm sorry and how much it's changed.

Okay.

Again, day one. What do I do? I first have to develop. Oh, you've got a spirit guide. What's the? Again? What's the spirit guide? I didn't know. Oh, it'll be an indigenous person. Oh, what's an indigenous person? And they said, oh well, probably it'll be a North American Indian, a Chinese herbalist or a Tibetan monk. Now, the church I first went to tended to have a lot of dreamcatchers in the church. So I thought, okay, the energy. I feel, let's call it a red Indian. And so when I connected to the energy, I pictured this North American Indian.

I thought he developed into healing. This red Indian was more of a warrior than a healer and so the feeling of the energy I changed into a Chinese herbalist. That was more suited for healing. Then, as I became involved in philosophy, I was starting to do church services. Now, with philosophy and demonstrations, I became more philosophical. The energy became a Tibetan monk Interesting. Then I realized it was a group consciousness and maybe the Tibetan monk was the spokesperson for this group consciousness. And then that evolved into just pure group consciousness and now it's evolved into pure universal consciousness. Now that's evolved over 30 years and when I look again, when I look back on it, it's still the same energy on day one. It is just my perception of what I was perceiving altered as I grew as a person. I had it at one stage, brian. I had a database of guides. I had an Excel spreadsheet.

Yeah.

And I thought, hang on, why is it so complicated? And I realized because I made it complicated, interesting, yeah, and now it is just the intelligence of the universe and I access any point to that intelligence of the universe, depending on what's required, and I do it through the energy. I call Michael.

Now, as you were saying that, you were talking about these different nationalities and stuff and it reminded me of I was thinking, if we reincarnate, we'd probably all been various nationalities. And what does the spiritualist church teach on reincarnation?

It depends on who you listen to. For instance, the Spiritualist National Union, the SNU, in the UK. They are a firm believer, of proof of evidence. So in other words, evidential mediumship isn't a fact until it's proven. And you prove it by giving the evidence Reincarnation, how do you prove reincarnation? How do you actually prove reincarnation and I think the SNU until someone can prove to everybody that reincarnation exists, their stance on it is that they don't say it exists, they don't say it doesn't exist.

They say they can't prove it at the moment, andrei. This is my point of view. I think we come from a pool of consciousness. We incarnate, we go back into a pool of consciousness, but still retain some individuality, and so that pool of consciousness creates again, and so part of us, part of the energy, reincarnates. That's my must, andrei's best understanding at the moment.

Yeah, that's fair, Thank you. I appreciate you explaining that, Because I know there's. I've heard some people say the Spiritualist Church does not believe in reincarnation, but I guess it wouldn't be fair to say they disbelieve in reincarnation. It's more like it sounds like they're more agnostic about it.

Yeah, basically they are saying it may exist or it may not exist, so it's proven. Until there's a way of actually effectively proving it, they're not going to bring it into their philosophy.

Yeah, well, I appreciate that point of view and I think it's really interesting because, again, coming back around the mediumship, even because that group, the Spiritualist Church, they're so skeptical and I use skeptical in the sense like, prove it to me. So when it comes to mediumship, because, again, a lot of people here we have, unfortunately we don't have the standards that you guys have in the UK in terms of mediumship. We have a lot of terrible people running around saying that they're mediums and we don't really have too much of a certification process for mediums. So that makes a lot of people in the United States doubt that mediumship exists. Because all mediums will tell you is that your, your grandmother loves you and she made cookies, and I have someone here with a J name, you know, and that passes for mediumship sometimes here.

Well, it's pointless, isn't it?

Yeah.

It doesn't do anything Right. But I'm leaning more to the fact that people need to understand that to move forward in life they have to start to make their own decisions for themselves. And I really think that everybody people come to me for healing and say their life is in a mess and they don't know. They don't know what their, what their problem is I say, yes, you do, you know what the problem is, but you haven't got the clarity or you haven't got the strength to make a decision, to make changes in your life.

Hmm.

You know, sit from a, from a healing point of view. A lot of people need clarity and strength. Um, yeah, and mediumship. It's strange I can see some huge changes happening with mediumship, right, I really can. Okay, I'm seeing more and more people. They're fed up with, as you said, going to a medium, and medium is saying oh, your grandmother loves you, she makes cakes in the kitchen, you know, and she understands life is tough, you know, but and she and she sends a support that doesn't do anything, does it? That doesn't do anything for anybody, right, apart from the ego of the so-called medium, right, so things have to change and I think, I think, I think things are changing. I really do.

That's good to hear, um. So tell me how can people um reach out to you and do you still do medium readings for people? I know you, you do you do healing, so what services do you offer people and how can people find you?

So basically, um, I do everything from my website. Um, I would say 75% of what I do is teaching Uh. I teach people how to do trans. I teach people how to do um uh healing. I do mentorship. I do a trans uh uh trans mentorship. I thoroughly give people a background in trans. I do a trans uh mentorship on transformational spiritual life coaching.

Hmm.

To train people to be able to allow the intelligence to work through them. I do one-to-one coaching or one-to-one healing, all online through my website. I travel the world. Uh, all my courses, they're all on the website.

Awesome. So, uh, if you wouldn't mind just tell people what the website is, I'll put it in show notes. But sometimes people are listening, they don't get. They don't read the notes.

Yeah, it's basically my name andrejjordjeviccom wwwandrejjordjeviccom. Awesome, awesome.

And again, the spelling will be in the show notes. Andre, I want to thank you so much for your time today, for sharing, sharing with me, sharing your story, your, your wisdom, uh, a great perspective on, on mediumship and and this spirit world in general. So thanks a lot and, if anything, anything you want to leave with the audience, with as we leave today, Um yeah, the only thing that I'd really like to share with everybody is that be yourself.

People say to me how do I become a good medium? How do we come up with a good person? I say be yourself.

Hmm.

It's by being yourself you are expressing the intelligence of the universe. You know you. You can't be anybody, you can't be the illusion of yourself. That doesn't work anymore. So just people realize they are unique, they have their own connection, their own understanding and just express who they are. Simple as that.

Awesome, awesome. Thank you, enjoy your afternoon.

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